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The disclaimer below is in response to the frivolous SLAPP lawsuit intended to intimidate and silence free speech filed against this site and its creator by the morally bankrupt institutional hypocrite that is the Thomas M. Cooley Law School which maintains that it has integrity and ethics at its core but believes it can abuse the legal system with a SLAPP suit lending further credence to the notion that it does not in fact believe in the law or the first amendment rights it "teaches". Furthermore the brilliant Cooley folk like Jimbo Thelen and Sir Don Leducky and its lawyers at Miller Canfield  (who are not Cooley lawyers by the way- a telling fact), who demonstrably have no professional integrity or respect for the judicial system and the law itself by the mere filing of this outrageous SLAPP lawsuit, clearly have never heard of the "Striesand Effect" which is likely to soon become known as the "Cooley Effect". Congrats for shining the spotlight on your questionable institutional business practices Cooley- now perhaps outside the legal community your average layperson will now know of "Cooley Law School" and the irreperable stigma that is attached to the Cooley brand name that will haunt its students and grads for a lifetime.


SLAPP Suits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLAPP

Striesand Effect soon to become known as the "Cooley Effect"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Striesand_effect

Dear all,

I believe I was very clear throughout my dated blog post below that I was expressing my personal opinion. I would analogize my entire post reflecting my personal experience and personal views of the Thomas M. Cooley Law School to watching a movie on a Friday night then publishing online statements asserting that it was a poor investment of time, money, and certainly not worthwhile- to boycott the movie and go ahead and watch that other movie that released the same Friday or any other movie for that matter. Do motion picture producers go out and publicly file lawsuits against each and every one who trashes their film? Let’s make the analysis more relevant and assume I flatter myself and liken my blog post to a giant public platform to express my views and opinions. Will Michael Bay go out and sue Roger Ebert, who is arguably one of the biggest critics in America, for trashing his movie?

As for distorted employment data, I have previously acknowledged that this is not a problem that is confined to Cooley alone. The ABA regulation of school reported employment data has been widely criticized by commentators, scambloggers, law professors, in addition to industry experts and analysts as being misleading. Common grounds for criticism include the idea of self-reported employment data by the law schools and notable deficiencies in the reporting in terms of not disclosing overall response rates and either having a breakdown or reflecting employment that actually requires a law degree. Since I concur with the opinions of these critics and publicize it, will this opinion and view subject me to another 200 lawsuits filed by each and every ABA approved law school?

I would like to make it clear that I never once addressed the quality of the education provided at Cooley but grounded my opinion based on its poor reputation as a fourth tier school, high attrition rates, unfriendly administrative policies, and most reprehensible of all, the school naming itself as the second best law school in the United States of America ahead of such notables such as: Yale, Stanford, Columbia, NYU, UofM, Chicago etc. In fact I would consider their subjective self-proclaimed and advertised ranking as the second best law school equally if not more “misleading” to the general public than my own publicized personal subjective opinion on Cooley not being a good option for law school. I’ll go out on a limb and speculate that my “misleading” opinions would bear slightly more weight given that the most authoritative ranking of law schools published by the US News ranks Cooley closer to the bottom of the 200 schools as opposed to the top two law schools in the country.

The assertion by Thomas M. Cooley of its status as the second best law school in America is as ludicrous as asserting that I am the second smartest man in America. It would invite the type of backlash that Cooley experiences everywhere throughout the nation. Yet I would not go out and sue someone who has a different opinion, or in the extreme scenario, publicly lambasts me for my declaration and calls me the dumbest man in America.

I will also point out that I never made any allegations with respect to loan fraud or other specific factual claims regarding the Thomas M. Cooley Law School. I simply expressed my experience, views, opinions, and said that I would not recommend the school to anyone. Since I love use analogies (as I used several times in my disputed blog post to insult Cooley), this is similar to using a product then posting a negative review online telling everyone to beware and choose one of the competitors. Do you think McDonalds would come sue me if I said their Big Mac was a load of crap and that everyone should spend their money on a Whopper or virtually any other hamburger on the market, or none at all if that was their only other option?

Finally, I would like to add that Cooley has not attempted to contact me even once, either through e-mail or through a blog comment on this post. If they had done so as they claim in James B. Thelan's sworn affidavit as attached to the Complaint, or perhaps even are willing to retract their lawsuit at this early stage, I would consider removing this post altogether. In terms of damages I’m not sure of the basis for Cooley’s request for relief in the amount of $25,000, let alone the special damages and/or actual malice that must be proven in order to successfully sue someone for defamation. I am not technologically savvy and any Joe Schmoe or "John Doe" for that matter who is disgruntled about their experience and wants to inform others of essentially a “buyer beware” message can set up a site in less than 5 minutes to publicize his views. Truthfully, I almost forgot about my Weebly blog site until I received an e-mail from a journalist that hit my blackberry informing me that a lawsuit has been directed towards my website. Up until now this blog has had an average of under 30 hits a day for the past few months. Most of the users seem to actually ATTEND COOLEY THEMSELVES, so the damage and defamation would be similar to telling the Detroit Lions they suck. Is a $50,000 lawsuit necessary to vindicate my “damage” to Cooley by expressing my personal opinions and views regarding it? The fact they have taken the time to take such a big step instead of simply ignoring and dismissing sites as mine as ridiculous does say a lot. My two-bit site should be hardly anything that would publicly defame and damage a world-class institution like the Thomas M. Cooley Law School which can boast of being the second best law school in the country that produces the greatest number of lawyers and is the world’s LEADER in top educational institutions.

Sincerely,

Rockstar05



SAVE YOURSELF: ANYONE CONSIDERING TO ATTEND THE “PRESTIGIOUS” THOMAS M. COOLEY LAW SCHOOL- EXPOSING THE THOMAS M. COOLEY LAW SCHOOL SCAM

Consider this a PUBLIC SERVICE FOR ANYONE CONSIDERING THOMAS M. COOLEY LAW SCHOOL.  In fact, I am probably doing YOU THE BIGGEST FAVOR OF YOUR LIFE by raising public awareness and offering you this advice….all free of charge!  As a prior student who was fortunate enough to GET OUT OF COOLEY let me lay a SMACKDOWN on this TTTT (Third Tier Toilet Trash) school.

Sorry to say there are little to no job prospects graduating from this school. Most graduates or people planning to attend do not have a shot in hell of actually practicing law, unless they either have GUARANTEED EMPLOYMENT, or believe that hanging a shingle in a dingy rented office post-graduation will provide the returns necessary to justify the 50k cost per year for attendance at this joke of a law school.

Cooley is without a doubt one of the three worst law schools in the United States. Given that there are 193 ABA Approved Law Schools, this is QUITE AN ACCOMPLISHMENT. In addition to the horrendous ranking of this commode, Cooley is also a “punching bag” favorite in legal forums and ridiculed and considered THE BIGGEST JOKE of all law schools amongst other law students and the legal community at large. There are multiple reasons for this:

1)      AN OPEN DOOR POLICY- They accept just about anybody. Go write the LSAT without studying, send Cooley a free application with no recent Felony convictions, and YOU WILL GET ACCEPTED.

2)      ATTRITION RATE AND ADMINISTRATIVE POLICIES- The first year attrition rate is about 26%. On your WAY OUT Cooley thanks you for your first year tuition payment, now have a nice life!

3)      THE “COOLEY RANKINGS”- Contrary to the US NEWS that ranks the school amongst the fourth-tier trash of America, Cooley begs to differ as they publish their own “Cooley Rankings” on their website ranking it as the SECOND BEST school in America!

4)      THE COOLEY “BUSINESS SCHOOL” IS A DIPLOMA MILL- A day and evening program, approximately 84% of enrolment on a part-time basis, a full-time weekend law program….basically creating ANY WAY you can think of to earn a degree from their school [EXCEPT AN ONLINE J.D. PROGRAM-an honor that until this point I believe only Florida Coastal has achieved (still awaiting a formal announcement from Thomas M. Cooley regarding a new online program)].

5)      THE NON-EMPLOYMENT OF ITS GRADS- I can say I knew no one who 1) was about to graduate and had found any employment prior to graduation OR 2) anyone who had graduated and eventually found a job

I will elaborate and address each of these in order, backed by statistics and facts, painting a real picture of what Cooley really is, and what your career prospects will likely be post-Cooley.

      I.        AN “OPEN DOOR POLICY”

From Top Law Schools:

http://www.top-law-schools.com/thomas-cooley-school-of-law.html

“…with an acceptance rate of nearly 80%, admissions at Cooley are hardly selective – last year, 4,570 out of 5,775 received acceptance letters. The admissions office is very forthcoming about its use of an index to streamline their decision-making process: a candidate is scored via the formula (LSDAS GPA*15) + LSAT. The full-time JD class of 2012’s middle 50th percentile LSAT scores ranged from 146-152, with a median of 148; Cooley’s official policy is to accept only the applicant’s highest LSAT score. LSDAS GPA scores varied from a 25th percentile of 2.80 to a 75th of 3.42. The part-time program was less competitive with an LSAT range of 143 to 149, with a median of 145. Its GPA range was 2.58 to 3.34, with a median of 2.97.”

What the fuck???? Are these stats real you might ask yourself? 4570 acceptance letters? It’s a shame that the American Bar Association (ABA) doesn’t require GPA or LSAT minimums scores for law schools. Generally speaking someone with an LSAT score or GPA that low should NOT be attending law school. However, there are some people who just do not do well on standardized tests and may have been more focused on partying and state football in their undergrad years. An LSAT score likely DOES NOT accurately reflect on one’s intelligence or is a good indicator or predictor of law school performance or ability to practice law. THAT BEING SAID, someone who scores lower than a 145 is still probably not anyone you would want representing you or adding prestige to your law school.  OK, so I guess Cooley does give a SELECT FEW an opportunity to attempt law school that are potentially more worthy of law school and the profession than those in more prestigious law schools with higher entrance credentials. I will give Cooley credit on this point, and this point alone.

Let’s face it is, law school is very elitist. Any school that strips the profession of the elitism is bound to get ragged on. Thomas M. Cooley is the biggest offender. By defying this law school norm they have taken a huge beating to their reputation. Also, it is very difficult for firms to take a law school like this which accepts some students with absolutely pathetic entrance credentials very seriously.

Don’t worry…. you WILL GET ACCEPTED…but that should not be your biggest concern if you read on. If you get rejected by this school you should probably a) either kill yourself or b) settle for sweeping the hallways at a REAL LAW SCHOOL.

      II.            ATTRITION RATE & ADMINISTRATIVE POLICIES

From Top Law Schools

“The curve at Cooley is very tough - so much so that 22.4% of 1Ls and 14.5% of 2Ls either choose to leave or flunk out. Even 3Ls are not safe, as 14 of them were forced to leave last year.”

http://www.top-law-schools.com/thomas-cooley-school-of-law.html

“I would suggest adding another category “Attrition rate” where Cooley would surely be number “1″ : 1st Year – 26%; 2nd Year – 10.4%. Cooley wants people to believe that it can accept a host of people with the worst statistics (independent indicators) and come out thinking they are a top law school.”

http://politicalcartel.org/2010/03/03/thomas-cooley-law-school-is-an-embarrassment/

What makes Cooley so bad is not the fact that it is a horrible fourth-tier school, but the fact that it is a fourth ranked school that acts like it is 1st tier school. The window is absolutely HUGE to get in but STAYING IN is RIDICULOUSLY HARD….not to mention the BULLSHIT ADMINISTRATIVE POLICIES at Cooley which are UNHEARD OF AT REAL LAW SCHOOLS:

-          The GPA grading curve is amongst the worst in the country. Making it virtually IMPOSSIBLE TO TRANSFER OUT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_school_GPA_curves

The above website lists the law school GPA curve at 2.00-2.40. This GPA at any other school would put you at the DEAD BOTTOM of the class and probably suggest that you did not open a book all term. For Cooley you would still need to work for this disgusting GPA. Therefore DON’T EXPECT YOUR GRADES AT COOLEY to be attractive to any law schools in your goals to transfer out if that’s your reason for attending. 

Here is a typical admission office response to your transfer application “Not only did you attend the worst law school in the country but say what????!!!!! You couldn’t even get a 3.0 at that POS law school?”, with the individual immediately proceeding to throw your transfer application (which can cost upward of $100 per school) in the trash bin, next to all the other poor Cooley students trying to get out.

 They don’t give a shit that a 3.0 or above at this shitty school would put you in the top 25% of your class. The only marks that will get you to transfer out or will be respectable to any employer coming outta Cooley are A’s….and unfortunately out of 100 people in your class maybe only 7-9 will get them! Oh and there are no +’s at this school either….just the letter or a minus. I wonder what the rationale behind not having a “+” score in grading but having a “-“score could be? Good luck getting good grades at this school.

All it takes is a little bit of research to establish that at the majority of other better ranked law schools, a 3.0 is a mediocre mark whereas that is an all-star mark at Cooley. So hey, you might be “the shit” at Cooley…but how does this all play out in reality??? Employers not familiar with Cooley’s grading policies will see this and be like “WHATTT ARE U SERIOUS THIS KID IS A JOKE, 2.85 FROM COOLEY AND HE WANTS TO WORK HERE???” You will be forced to put your class rank instead of your GPA on your resume out of fear of embarrassment or going directly into the trash.

This will also limit your applications as most law jobs that accept applications through their website ask you for your GPA, NOT YOUR CLASS RANK. In other words, this school makes sure your fucked. Kind of works against you don’t you think? You pay all this money just to have your own school limit your potential? But hey this is THOMAS COOLEY…nothing really makes sense here.

Believe it or not a SEXY 3.0 will put you on the Dean’s List if you got it for the term and the Honor Roll if your cumulative is a 3.0 or above. Try explaining that to an employer…how your mediocre GPA sounding number put you on the honor roll at a bullshit school???!!!!

-          Part time and full time students are ranked together

Yep, so when you see your class rank out of 1000 students and think HEY I know people from all the sections in 1L…add em all up and there is no more than 300 people, this should explain why there are such a large number of students ranked. Also from the link below we can see that 84% of the students are part time students:

http://thirdtierreality.blogspot.com/2010/03/smoldering-steaming-pile-of-excrement.html#links

The website above also offers a realistic picture at the very top of what your career prospects will look like. So that rich spoiled son of a bitch who was too stupid to get in anywhere else can afford to take 1-2 classes a term and live off daddy’s money or a trust fund and just coast through life can FOCUS ALL HIS EFFORTS ON TWO CLASSES and get straight A’s while simultaneously degrading your legitimate efforts at 5 courses to a mediocre class rank!!!! Such are the “just” and “ethical” policies of the prestigious Tom Cooley Law Skool.

-          Up to two-three weeks prior to the beginning of the term one may not add or change courses

So your only option if you want to change professors or courses when the year starts is to DROP. This is HARDLY the type of policies you would expect at the LARGEST LAW SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY with by far the most students and largest selection of courses and sections for those courses. This policy is in effect to make sure it takes you longer and is more difficult to obtain a degree from this poor excuse of a law school

-          IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO GRADUATE ON TIME

This school requires a mandatory externship that firms take as free labor then byebye! Cooley has four campuses that supply graduates endlessly, do you really think firms give a shit? Additionally after your core required courses in later semesters almost ALL courses are worth only 2 credits…meaning you will have to stack up 6-7 classes a term to graduate without spending longer at Cooley than you want to. This is clearly not realistic.

-          In some cases students must wait SEVEN WEEKS FOR THEIR MARKS!!

Marks are due on the fourth Monday of the following term plus add the three weeks off! Further proof the professors get paid to do fuck all. To make matters worse this joke of a law school couldn’t even follow through on this promise for the Fall 2010 marks, with some marks taking an additional 48 hours past the deadline to be posted. Guess the school allots additional time for the professors to get trashed over the holidays and celebrate their high paid salaries all the while laughing at the students dumb enough to attend this waste site.

-          Cooley does NOT let you pick your own courses

Other law schools allow a lot of latitude in choosing courses and specializing. Not Cooley- your first three terms are PRE-SET and almost 2/3 of your entire degree is composed of REQUIRED COURSES. So much for taking the courses you want to. But hell, COOLEY KNOWS BEST. After all, they did build this STELLAR REPUTATION in the legal community that keeps employers RACING TO EMPLOY COOLEY GRADS.

-          Exams are all closed book

Other schools have open-book exams, meaning you can bring your textbooks and ANY NOTES you please. Cooley reinforces its reputation as a hard-core rigorous elite law school by not allowing this under the pretext that “hey, the bar exam is not open book”. Correct Cooley, I’ll give you that. But what about fucking courses like Tax which are not tested at all on the bar. How do you justify that? Just trying to keep your bar passage rates up and keep your accreditation I assume. Further proof the faculty, staff, executive committee, and administration are all in on the business model described beow and that the students are morons for putting up with this shit. How do you expect someone who is not well versed in tax (which is REQUIRED at this school by the way) to memorize all of that? I have a business background so that is just as good as giving me a 4.0 by closing the books for other students….but boy do I feel bad for the people who find tax challenging. Also in real life, what tax lawyer is not allowed to use a handbook in conducting their practice? Thomas Cooley holds itself out as a PRACTICAL law school, how do you justify this policy then?

-          There is no Spring Break

Hey other schools get breaks. Cooley? NO WAY- hey this is a top school, we don’t take breaks. You want the BigLaw experience right? Well the hard work ethic and no-life part you will DEFINITELY GET…in fact this is the closest you will ever get to the BigLaw experience with a degree from this shithole.

-          There is no reading week prior to exams

That’s right. You go straight from Week 14 of classes to Week 15 of exams. Class on Friday where you are REQUIRED TO ATTEND and exam on Monday. No room to breathe. You are still studying and doing readings to be prepared for class so you don’t get verbally annihilated by your professor in front of the class and you must simultaneously balance studying for your finals while completing your weekly course readings. Exactly what you’d expect from a fourth-tier school right? Other law school students at different schools would scream over policies such as these.

-          All Exams Must be Completed in one week

Most exams are so CRAMMED IN so you will be at the library until 4am having panic attacks a few weeks before exams and entering cardiac arrest each night before an exam. Yessir, it is not uncommon for most 1L students taking 5 courses to write all 5 in 5 days. Pretty crazy don’t you think? Considering the exams are all worth 100% that would probably give anyone a panic attack. Exam schedules are a nightmare to anyone who attends this school. You will be lucky if you are taking 5 exams in 6 days….or 4 exams in 5 days. At other law schools this is unheard of!

-          Unfriendly transfer policies

At this garbage school they frequently encourage students NOT to take a full course load. They encourage taking 3-4 classes a term. But seeing as schools like to see 24-30 credits over your first year (two semesters) to transfer, by taking fewer courses it will likely take 3-4 semesters before you reach this number of credits making it IMPOSSIBLE to transfer! NO SCHOOL WILL TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY.

Also, the internet is flooded with reports of the admin offices at Cooley screwing them over. Examples are not sending required items by the deadline required at other schools and sending letters saying students are in bad standing when in fact they are not. Good luck getting into a different school when your own school is going out of its way to fuck you over.

    III.            THE COOLEY RANKINGS

HEY GUESS WHAT????? DID YOU KNOW THAT ALMOST 5000 STUDENTS GOT ACCEPTED INTO THE SECOND BEST LAW SCHOOL IN THE STATES???? ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS APPLY….80% OF APPLICATIONS WERE ACCEPTED!!!!

Who knew right? In its NEW RANKINGS, Cooley ranks itself the 2nd best school in the United States, RIGHT AFTER HARVARD. WOW, are you surprised? FUCK, I CANT BELIEVE I TRANSFERRED OUT OF THE SECOND BEST LAW SCHOOL IN AMERICA!!! Bet you didn’t think that a 143 on the LSAT and a 2.6 GPA (low ranges from their open door policy from above) from undergrad would get you into the second best law school in the country!!!

THE LINK TO THE SHAM:

http://www.cooley.edu/rankings/overall2010.html

HERE ARE SOME TIPS FOR YOU UNDERGRADS WANTING TO GET INTO THE 2ND BEST SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY. DO the following and make your parents PROUD BY getting accepted into the SECOND BEST LAW SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY:

1)      Do not attend class, ever.

2)      Blow all your money on women and booze! Try developing an addiction to crack while you are at it….if you can pull it all off and get into the best law school with the best career prospects and still have it all, why not?? Charlie Sheen does it right? He’s the highest paid actor on TV and damn is he cool…..all that money and the finest women!!!

3)      Drink every night, literally every night during undergrad.

4)      Midterm exam tomorrow? Make sure you drink even more the night before and attend the exam with a hangover. Throw in some unprotected drunken sex just to be even more reckless….also you will have something to think about while drawing doodles on your midterm exam the next day.

5)      Literally do nothing for the LSAT. Walk in and shade in any letter you want. Go “A,B,C,D” then start from the beginning for the entire 100 question multiple choice exam. This is to ensure you don’t get any freebees by using any decent strategy such as shading in “B” for all responses (you may actually receive a 146 on the LSAT…and who wants to work harder than you should to get into the second best law school in the country right????)

THIS IS THE MOST PATHETIC THING I HAVE SEEN IN MY LIFE!!!! REPREHENSIBLE AT SEVERAL LEVELS. YOU WILL LEARN ABOUT MISREPRESENTATION AND LIABILITY FOR RECKLESS REPORTING IN YOUR TORTS CLASS. I am shocked and dumbfounded the school has not been sued for its misrepresentation on its website as the SECOND BEST LAW SCHOOL IN THE NATION BEHIND HARVARD.

Proof that the executive committee and administration at this school does not have a shred of integrity or moral decency. We should ask them if they would send their kids to the prestigious Thomas M. Cooley Law School! I do not know how they can sleep at night publishing this shit. The audacity of these people just leaves me speechless. Whoever is responsible for this atrocity and public deception should be executed IMMEDIATELY.

In addition to being addressed and ridiculed in several law school forums as well as legal professional communities the “Cooley Rankings” are also referenced to in the following:

1)      The Top Law Schools website

The Cooley Rankings
Each year, Judge Thomas E. Brennen (who, by pure coincidence, happens to be dean of Cooley Law School) publishes his own rankings in response to the USNWR, which he sees as flawed. Also by pure coincidence, Cooley tends to land in the top 20 law schools in the country in these rankings, ahead of notables such as Duke, UC Berkeley, and Stanford. These rankings are often critiqued as being highly biased due to the importance they place on factors such as student body size (a third coincidence: Cooley is the nation’s largest law school) and law library square footage. Though the USWNR rankings have received their fair share of criticism over the years, and alternative rankings (such as the Leiter report) can often be credible alternatives, Judge Brennen’s rankings are generally considered (at best) to be little more than a marketing tool for Cooley Law.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/thomas-cooley-school-of-law.html

2)      This intelligent Blogger who devoted an ENTIRE PAGE to the ranking system

http://politicalcartel.org/2010/03/03/thomas-cooley-law-school-is-an-embarrassment/

3)      Third Tier Reality

http://thirdtierreality.blogspot.com/2010/03/smoldering-steaming-pile-of-excrement.html#links

4)      Wikipedia

“In the twelfth edition of Judging the Law Schools, a publication authored by Cooley Law, Cooley ranks itself second (above law schools such as Yale Law School, Stanford Law School, University of Chicago Law School, and Duke University School of Law). The ranking system advocated by the school has come under heavy criticism for the methodology used to determine placement. The school maintains that judging a legal education by what caliber of students enter will not adequately address the quality of lawyers which come out. However, the Cooley ranking system has been criticized for never actually mathematically addressing this issue. Instead, a host of less determinative criteria, like volumes in library, total applications, total law school square footage, total minority faculty (notably ignoring ratio), total enrollment, total titles in library, and total serial subscriptions.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_M._Cooley_Law_School

I find it EXTREMELY FUNNY AND WEIRD THAT investors in the stock market require audited financial statements before investing in companies that must be validated and attested to by public accountants working long hours to verify the internal data meanwhile no one cares to audit or check these self-reported statistics from law schools that generate BILLIONS IN REVENUE EACH YEAR! HOW DO U THINK THE PRICE OF STOCKS ARE MEASURED? THE PRESENT VALUE OF FUTURE RETURNS. THE PRICE IS REFLECTIVE OF THE EARNINGS POTENTIAL OF THE STOCK. If the stock market provides shitty returns, negative returns, or NO returns the stock will become less desirable, and no one will buy till it shrivels up and the company dissolves! The average investor lets say has 10-20k invested in stocks. What about the young, innocent, and ambitious law school student who is about to invest 3 years of his life including 150k+ in non-dischargeable debt into a law degree that could have NO RETURN in this shitty job market????!!! There is no one to audit or verify where all this money is going, or to verify there will be any return at all.

    IV.            COOLEY BUSINESS SCHOOL- A.K.A “DEGREE MILL”

“… in the most recent USNWR rankings, the school received a peer-review score of 1.4, and a lawyers/judges-review score of 1.8 (both out of 5). The school also has one of the highest student-to-faculty ratios in the country, at 23.5. This last statistic contributes to the idea of Cooley as a “degree mill”.

 Cooley is priced at $28,740 per year. The school also offers generous LSAT-based scholarships – any candidate who scores 163+ is eligible for a 100% honors scholarship, with correspondingly lower dollar amounts offered for lower scores. Michigan residents are automatically eligible to receive a 10% increase on an honors scholarship.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/thomas-cooley-school-of-law.html

I checked the Cooley website as I was ABSOLUTELY SURE regular tuition is NOT that low and found this:

http://www.cooley.edu/overview/tuition.html

OUCH. $28,740…damn so I was wrong….right? NOPE I dug a little further (in fact just clicked on a link on the same page) to uncover this:

http://www.cooley.edu/prospective/expenses.html

Wait…..and YES I AM RIGHT!!! 32k in tuition alone ….THIRTY TWO THOUSAND $$$ IS ALL YOU NEED TO ATTEND THE SECOND BEST LAW SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY!!! Why go to those 40k+ top ranked law schools called Stanford and Yale when you can go this prestigious institute of higher learning??

Nice deceit once again. Just 4k. When your students receive their tuition bill and it is too late to turn back I am sure they won’t figure $4000 which is 1/7 of the entire advertised tuition is that big of a deal.

Plus you are getting a FIRST RATE tuition….you do realize it is a PRIVILEGE to attend Cooley right? There are 20% of the other original applicants who would KILL TO BE IN YOUR POSITION. Way to prey on the trusting yet less-than-smart candidates for your prestigious law schools you fucking bloodsuckers!

So this is more of a summary of the whole “open door” policy and attrition rate combination. This private law school is essentially a multi-million dollar business. In fact, in Lansing Michigan where the school is located they are the HIGHEST TAXPAYER….I’m sure the City of Lansing would do ANYTHING for this disgusting mess. HERE IS HOW IT WORKS IN LAYMANS TERMS IN CASE YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND THE DYNAMICS:

-          Cooley take lotsa students, any student with $$, Cooley take

-          Cooley fail out lotta students

-          BUT Cooley keep first year money, become more rich

-          By flunking out dumber of dumb students; Cooley only keep smarter ones

-          half “smarter” students either get out 2 better law school

-          other half stay at Cooley and improve Cooleys bar passage rate

-          This make Cooley look good

-          Cooley get 2 keep its ABA accreditation and still operate as an ABA law school to make more $$

-          Cooley bar pass rate is semi-decent not reflective of the horrible reputation and the horrible school it really is because they kick out all dumber suckers that accept admission

-          This keep Cooley look good and as lucrative investment to new gullable kiddies

-          Cooley lure more kids and get more money

-          More, more, money

The whole process is just sickening. Most of these students should not have been in law school in the first place. Sure Cooley, you are giving them a shot….but at what cost? Those without scholarships will waste a year of their life at your school and total estimated expenses of 48K according to your site!!! What says being ethical or having integrity than taking 50k from a poor debt-ridden kid who doesn’t have a shot in hell at practicing law??? The website above provides the 2010-2011 figures….so it is likely that COSTS HAVE ONLY GONE UP to attend this prestigious “business school”. Congrats you criminals, you have accomplished robbery!

100% scholarships to attract students to give your school more credibility and tuition-paying dumbasses who have nowhere else to go in addition to the caveman breakdown above….GREAT BUSINESS MODEL!!! If John Dillinger were alive he would probably quit robbing banks and just decide to run Thomas M. Cooley Law School….seeing as both are essentially same things….only difference is that no one is going after these criminals over at Cooley!!!!

      V.            THE NON-EMPLOYMENT OF COOLEY GRADS

Yes you read it right. Not unemployment, not under-employment, NON-EMPLOYMENT.

From: TOP LAW SCHOOLS:

Life After Graduation
Like many who earn degrees from Tier 4 schools, Cooley graduates do not tend to finish school with job offers falling into their laps, especially after the recent economic downturn. Graduates are prepared for the Michigan bar only slightly worse than at other schools, passing at a rate of 80%, compared with the state average of 82%. Graduates do not fare well on other bar exams, however. Other popular choices were New York (28 percentage points below average), Illinois (18 below), and California (44 below). Nine months after graduation, only 77.8% of Cooley alumni responding to a school survey have managed to find employment – meaning nearly a quarter remains unemployed; this statistic does not factor in the number of graduates responding to the school’s employment survey, so the real employment figures may be lower. The majority of graduates remain in Michigan to practice law, and go into the private sector – thus putting to good use the hard skills Cooley considers so important.

I am SURPRISED that Cooley publishes its private sector starting salary for at 51k on their site....which seems relatively honest in comparison to publishing their own rankings putting them at the top of the law school rankings. Let me also remind you that PRIVATE PRACTICE IS GENERALLY THE BEST PAYING…..WOW SO YOU CAN PAY 50K/YEAR FOR THREE YEARS FOR A TOTAL OF 150K TO HAVE AN AVERAGE STARTING SALARY OF 50K???? WHAT AN AMAZING INVESTMENT!!! I was making more than that figure PRIOR to attending law school. Also, Cooley's response rate is ridiculously low so it is likely that grads working at McDonalds and Walmart are not responding or the average salary of a "grad" would be much much lower...but hey even they are still employed RIGHT?? All it took was thousands upon thousands of dollars and years of time, effort, and hard-work.

DO NOT ATTEND THIS SCHOOL unless you have guaranteed employment, such as through family or very close friends. Beware the current job market- a job that is promised to you prior to law school may NOT BE THERE after three years through no fault of the promisor.

The value of a Cooley J.D. is virtually worthless. Additionally, the opportunities of even being UNDER-EMPLOYED are very slim. Any diligent employer would be wary of hiring someone for under $15 an hour knowing that individual is being severely under-employed for their “training” as a lawyer. Nothing screams FLIGHT RISK like a J.D. of Law making $11.50. You are kidding yourself and must not take either yourself or the possibility of actually practicing law for a firm very seriously at all if you plan on attending this institution.

THE WORST OF THE LOT are people who come from all over the US come to Cooley to get a law degree. This include LOTS of people from California, Illinois, and the good state of New York. I would go as far to say that approximately 70% of the students at Cooley’s main Lansing campus are from out of state. If you ever are unfortunate enough to ever be in Lansing, Michigan and take a stroll around you will see that virtually EVERY license plate you see in the downtown area immediately surrounding Cooley is filled with out of state plates. These are the “rejects” from almost each and every state who could not get into law school in their own state so all the rejects seek refuge from the harsh reality that they should not be practicing law at the Thomas M. Cooley Law School….which SLOGAN SHOULD BE “WHERE DEGENERATES UNITE” . The idea for these ass-clowns is to attend out of state with the intention of taking their prized Cooley J.D. back to their home state, write the bar, and find employment. I need to ask these people, ARE YOU RETARDED? When mediocre law schools in your own state are having trouble finding jobs for their grads or even paid internships do you think your out of state TTTT degree from one of the worst schools in the country will do any better? NO.  NYLS grads are finding things tough and Touro grads literally can’t do shit in New York…you think a TTTT Cooley degree in one of the most saturated markets in America will do you any good at all??? If you think any differently you are in denial. You probably won’t show me your face in four years post-graduation when reality kicks in and all my warnings come true in so I can tell you I TOLD YOU SO.

FINAL WORDS

If you are attending due to a scholarship  or affordable tuition, or even a FREE EDUCATION I would not attend here. When applying to firms after graduation would you really say in an interview (assuming you actually get one), “ya they gave me a 100% scholarship, I really am a genius and scored over a 163 on the LSAT”???? Do you think the employer could or will verify any of these statistics to give you any credibility???? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Also the Cooley name is just toxic in the legal community, if they see Cooley anywhere on an app it is likely it is going straight into the garbage. I would not be surprised if partners or hiring managers advise their secretary, HR person, or whoever is screening applications to just dump all the Cooley apps in the trash bin! If you are like me, use your better marks that got you a scholarship for at Cooley and pay full tuition at reputable regional T1 or T2 school….you will not regret it!!

If you are attending with the intention of transferring out ASAP please rethink this option. Yes, top students DO TRANSFER OUT. However, it seems every student enters thinking they will be a part of these top students. If you think you will transfer and be in the top 20% of a class, keep in mind that everyone else is thinking that too….that means 80% of students who think this way will be disappointed. Law school is NOT LIKE UNDERGRAD….in fact it makes undergrad look like a joke! If you didn’t apply yourself then and think you will step it up now….based on no prior law school performance HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY GAUGE your future law school performance???? Do yourself a favor and do not attend with this mentality. In fact do not attend any law school where you would not want to graduate from…other law schools are also difficult to transfer from. However, the stigma associated with Cooley along with the NASTY GRADE CURVE discussed above will make it virtuously impossible to transfer.

If this is your ONLY OPTION to attend law school I would probably re-consider law school as a whole. Either retake the LSAT and do better or find a different career altogether. I know you would like to be a lawyer- but hell, it isn’t for all of us. If everyone could be a doctor or lawyer, don’t you think everyone would be? You want to spend years of your life that you cannot get back, likely get into 150K or more of non-dischargeable debt, for a degree with a ZERO RETURN ON INVESTMENT????!!!! LISTEN TO ME, YOU WILL RUIN YOUR LIFE BY ATTENDING THIS SCHOOL. You can work at Wal-Mart without the Cooley J.D….take my word for it. Listen to my advice, it is the best return on your investment for reading this and quite possibly the best return on investment in your life if you are considering attending the Thomas M. Cooley Law School!

RockStar05

P.S. Cooley considers almost 6000 applications a year, so I am certain that at least 8000 people a year do consider this as an option or look into it. I have done the research and experienced most of this for you, providing the lowdown and exposing one of the biggest scams in modern American history. You’re welcome.

 


Comments

Rockstar05
02/15/2011 12:53am

Thanks for the comment John. Generally, the definition of a FRAUD is an 1) intentional 2) misrepresentation of material fact 3) to induce another 4) actual reliance, and 5) damages.

It's only a matter of time I HOPE before an unemployed Cooley grad uses their Cooley Education to certify a class of these poor unemployed bastards and sue those criminals at Cooley to get their money back PLUS interest and hopefully enough punitive damages to shut this shithole down! Again, LONG OVERDUE.

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Amanda
03/29/2012 11:46am

My life was ruined by this institution. I was in my 6th term, and had to take a class, Evidence, with an 80 year old professor that was terrible. I mean absolutely terrible. I failed. Straight up F. It's ironic that the professor, who I am sure was outstanding 30 years ago, was asked to leave because he was not "needed" anymore.

Unfortunately for me, I didn't find out that I was a "Cooley School Failout" until the 6th week into my 6th term. I only took 4 classes a term though so I was part-time status. I didn't even get the courtesy of academic probation because I was a B,C student. I also did not get any kind of letter, trumpets, or anything telling me that I was a failure. It was after grades were released I went to the academic office to apply to drop my "F" grade and repeat the course that I was notified that the F automatically failed me out. No letter. No email. No nothing. Even though your suppose to be able to void your lowest grade, unfortunate for me, since I was so far along in my studies; you are not warranted the space. Only 1Ls are allowed that leeway.

So there I was, 700 miles away from home, two years into my law school epic fail at this toilet bowl school- and it really is- another one of the numbers who failed. I probably would have done better if I didn't work, part-time, at a retail store for $7.00 and hour as many hours as I could. You are required to sign an agreement that you will not work over 20 hours during any term.

However, my contract was in place with my bank who signed my car loan note long before Cooley made me sign theirs. They gladly took my Federal Student Loan payment no questions asked though. Don LaDuke was happy to take my money.

I was an average student I thought. Lot's of Bs, a few Cs, one A, and one D, and a big ole F, that ruined my entire life. I am $55,000 in debt from this school with absolutely nothing to show for it except the fact that I came so close to killing myself because of the failure I felt, the fact that I had nothing else to do with my life. It was the end of 2009, there were no jobs anywhere, least of all in Michigan, and I had so much debt and nothing else.

I hope they close these schools. It almost ruined my life. It came so very close to being the end of me. I believe it had been the trigger for other students that have had this Cooley experience. Maybe they should have on their "rankings" list the suicide rate for people who were "failed" out. That should be enough to deter the ABA and remove the approval for them. Yes there are some people that did well here. I believe they transfered the F out when they got their grades the first term.

I hope, wish, and pray that the ABA strategically looks at the Cooley issues. It is a degree mill and they only care about money. I am not a jilted or angry former. I am over that. I just have to remember that I lived this nightmare. I made it through it. Reading these blogs and the truth that they project- the utter truth- has made me realize I wasn't a failure, I was a infact a survivor. Just a survivor with education debt that will haunt me the rest of my life.

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April C.
03/30/2012 2:12pm

Oh my God, I'm so sorry for your McCooley experience (I added the Mc to Cooley b/c they have the same amount of quality care & empathy a does McDonald's & they pump out diplomas like cheap pink slime burgers). I will pray for you. Are you still in Michigan? I am a free lance writer, since I cant get a job in the legal field, and I am thinking about writing an article about all these negative Cooley stories. A friend of mine also hosts a political radio program and would love to have they chance to expose Cooley.

02/15/2011 2:45pm

That was an EPIC post. I posted the link to this entry, over on JD Underground.

http://thomas-cooley-law-school-scam.weebly.com/1/post/2011/02/the-thomas-m-cooley-law-school-scam3.html

Here is a follow-up post on Cooley. It is directed toward shill Nelson P. Miller. This patently dishonest academic had the gall to write the following piece:

http://www.michbar.org/journal/pdf/pdf4article1751.pdf

"In the October 2010 edition of the Michigan Bar Journal, associate dean at TTTThoma$ M. Cooley Law $chool, Nelson P. Miller wrote a piece entitled, “Legal Education as a Pie-Maker: Why Michigan Benefits from Accessible Law Schools.”

Thank you for DECIMATING this foul and rank pile of excrement. I have visited the economic dead zone known as Michigan. Congratulations on transferring out of the 2nd best law school in the land.

Nando, graduate of Third Tier Drake

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02/15/2011 5:26pm

I started my second semester at Touro Law School paid in full with Federally backed Student Loans.

I had to pay that tuition for the second semester in advance, or I would not have been allowed to attend classes.

However, I still did not have all of my grades from the first semester.

The grades I did have already were terrible, and I walked around for two weeks wondering if I had in fact flunked out.

It turned out I had a GPA that was around 1.8 or 1.9, which placed me on academic probation.

It wasn't until after the third semester, and after taking some 2nd year "joke" elective classes for an esay A or B+ that I was able to pull my gpa above 2.0 (passing).

How stressful and miserable those first two weeks of my second semester were. Looking back, I think I almost had a nervous breakdown over it all.

I checked for my grades by telephone every day, and at the same time was terrified of being called on in class, to see if I had briefed a case that was among a 100 page reading assignment for the night before. The same scenario for some of my other classes.

How bitterly do I resent the way I was forced to pay my tuition in full with Federally Backed loans, without even the courtesy of having all of my grades, and knowing where I stood academically.

Surely that was illegal.

You say a lot about Cooley, and I identify with a lot of it because I experienced very similar things at Touro.

I could go on and on.

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Rockstar05
02/15/2011 5:28pm

Thank-you Nando for your kind words. Coming from the creator and author of the Third Tier Reality blog which I have referred to several times in my post above, in addition to being an inspiration for me to expose the reality of this fraud of a law school, it does truly mean a lot.

For those who don't know, Nando is one of the most famous bloggers who is leading the movement against law schools in America which have nothing to provide Americans besides J.D.'s that will never be put toward their intended use and SIX DIGITS OF DEBT to be by your side FOR LIFE. He has profiled SEVERAL other schools in a much more concise fashion on his general blog which also contains links to several other useful sites.

Since I can only speak from experience at this shithole, if you are considering any law school I would suggest taking a look at Mr. Nando's site to see if any of your "potential" law schools are profiled there. I am certain that you will find the authors down to earth, fact-based, realistic, no-nonsense approach to the law school game incredibly informative. Here is the link:

http://thirdtierreality.blogspot.com/

Additionally, the NY Times has also quoted Nando in the article above addressing the law school pandemic in America:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/business/09law.html

The truth is out there folks!!!! The NY TIMES article addressing this issue is hopefully just the beginning of the war against these bloodsucking money making scam machines. Cooley is still BY FAR the WORST culprit, but there are still others that are not too far behind.

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Rockstar05
02/15/2011 5:42pm

@JDPainterGuy

I am sorry to hear your story. I am aware of similar occurences and the same policy at Cooley.

Perhaps I did not adequately address the implications of wastebuckets like COOLEY giving back your grades so late.

1) You could find out that you've been kicked out in week 4 of the following semester. Say bye bye tuition. Yes, you will blindly pay funds and carry on without any feedback of where you stand academically. Seeing as the attrition rate is SO LARGE and the grade curve so low I can imagine that a HUGE amount of students are stuck awaiting their financial and academic fate for weeks, with no other option to wait like sitting ducks. FROM YOUR FRIENDS @THOMAS COOLEY AND SHITHOLES LIKE TOURO: Enjoy the post-exam break kiddies!!!

2) If you are like every other Cooley student and are attempting to transfer to a legitimate school you will have to wait until WEEK 4 for your grades (IF YOUR LUCKY AND THESE JERKOFFS ACTUALLY COME THROUGH ON ONE OF THEIR EMPTY PROMISES) and until WEEK 7 or WEEK 8 of the next semester for your class rank due to grade appeals....this leaves the total anticipation for grades for a transfer app at 11 weeks!!! With them bragging about the largest student body, why doesnt the largest administrative body try to do their fucking jobs properly? Yes this will set you back TREMENDOUSLY in determining where it is worth it to apply and getting your applications out before deadlines. Additionally, this will all be conveniently happening during the middle of the term crunch where everyone is starting to study for finals again while doing weekly readings to try to have a shot at getting out of Cooley.


How on earth can any shithole justify doing this to their ambitious, tuition paying students? It is still beyond me.

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02/15/2011 5:51pm

If practices like these are illegal, and Schools like Cooley and Touro are, all the while, playing around with Federally backed Student Loan money (in whole or in part),

then doesn't that make it a Federal Offense?

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Rockstar05
02/15/2011 6:14pm

While I cannot speak from experience or knowledge, as I am not well-versed in the laws regarding Federal loans and the public and private institutions such as Cooley and Touro that administer them, I can speak from common sense, logic, and what intuitively seems reasonable.

I would imagine that the availability of federally backed student loan funds is dependent solely on your registration at an academic institute and a confirmation of that enrollment and corresponding fees to the federal government. As far as the institutions go, what happened to you at Touro and what happens at Cooley seems to be more of a administrative and academic policies that are screwing students over. Unfortunately, as far as the federal government goes, they advanced the funds in good-faith of your continuing education, fulfilling their obligation to providing the means to education for America.

The decision of when funds are due to stay enrolled in classes is ONLY set by the private (or public I guess) institutions. The government has done its job and provided the funds by that point assuming your timely application and fulfillment of their requirements. When tuition is due and when grades are distributed are purely academic and administrative decisions of the school you are attending. So unfortunately I see these as totally different and unrelated issues, and unfortunately, as far as the federal government goes you WILL OWE THOSE FUNDS. As far as the “educational institute” goes they will have THOSE FUNDS FOR PROVIDING YOU WITH ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but a lot of sorrow and regret for attending schools of such character.

A school that actually gave a shit about its students would likely take these factors into consideration and may postpone payment of fees to coincide with the release of grades. This again would be assuming that these schools have a shred of dignity. Hope this helps. Anyone else who is more educated or more knowledgeable on the issues JDPAINTER speaks of, please feel free to help out our friend (and another victim of trash receptacles like Cooley and Toro) by posting. Thanks.

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02/15/2011 6:56pm

I didn't even know some of the stuff about the grading curve, lack of breaks, 1-week exam period, no reading time off, etc.

That's absurd and surely mentally taxing.

What a ridiculous monster our system has created.

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Rockstar05
02/15/2011 7:10pm

Yes, the fourth tier monster that approaches law school like the first tier monster that never was.

I have also heard of HORRIBLE GRADE CURVES at the other shitholes of America such as Touro, and the Thomas Jefferson School of Law in California. This is all very surprising since these schools listed are the shittiest of the shitty. You would think in return for fooling students out of hundreds of thousands of dollars, and actually having students ATTEND THESE COCKROACH SITES, they would AT LEAST GRADE NORMALLY, let alone go all out and inflate their graduates marks so they actually have a shot in the job market of getting employed also boosting the prestige of their business institutions!!! This is the only thing of the fourth tier trash business model I have yet to figure out. AND I HOPE THAT BY POSTING THIS I HAVE NOT GIVEN ANY COOLEY EXECUTIVE OR ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON THE FINAL KEY TO PERFECTING THEIR BUSINESS MODEL!!!!!

I'm glad that this is creating awareness that people in Cooley do have it REALLY REALLY BAD. That's why I can't say ONLY morons graduate from there besides being morons for sticking around to graduate from an unethical pathetic school. Otherwise I just feel really SORRY for them. Yes they do have the work-ethic, they have survived an atrocious attrition rate and have worked hard to excel under the policies and system outlined above.

However, I pity them because no-one will ever acknowledge or appreciate this fact. Hence I have started this to attack the root of the problem, don't attend BLOOD SUCKING PARASITE CAMPS like this school or YOU WILL RUIN YOUR LIFE DESPITE YOUR BEST EFFORTS TO EMERGE A WINNER.

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Rockstar05
02/16/2011 12:58am

Here is a link to an established blog for a similar cause that was appreciative enough of my work on this blog exposing the truth and reality of this sham of a law school to create a link to my site. They also have included a link to their own public broadcast weighing-in on the Thomas M. Cooley Law School and their ranking system. Listening to this should give you some input and perspective on the OUTSIDE IMPRESSION OF THE COOLEY AND ITS STELLAR REPUTATION (just in case you doubt what I am telling you or think for even a millisecond that I am some disgruntled student telling lies about the 2nd best law school in America).

http://shillingmesoftly.blogspot.com/2011/02/attention-cooley-you-got-served.html

After their audio broadcast loads skip to 27:57 as they instruct to hear the Cooley stuff.

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EscapedCooleyStudent
02/16/2011 1:22am

I did a year at this trash School! They did exactly what you said they do, they failed out a large portion of us!

I had a property Prof even tells us the admin told her she was passing too many students, and to warn us the curve was going to be even worse that year. Surprise that was lowest grade by far!

I ended up getting C's in most of my classes, but they were C-s. So that means under 2.0. I almost managed to get a B in one class, but i missed it by 1 point! There is no C+ so lowered it to C so that means a 2.0. Like I said, scam!

End of the day I ended with slightly below a 2.0 and was killing myself for this. At this point I was up the creek, no ABA school would touch me. I had another ABA school pre-accepted me as a transfer, but when they found out i wound up with under a 2.0 it was over. Cooley Scammed me again!

Thankfully I found an unaccredited law school out west. I am doing well there now. Having to repeat my 1st year was horrid, and taking a test called the baby bar almost killed me. (That's another rant, 82% failure rate on that test) but I made it.

End of story I am doing fine. But no thanks to Cooley. Run, Run, Run away from this school. Rock Star Thanks you for posting this, you are my hero!

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Louise
06/12/2012 11:06pm

The same thing happened to me a Cooley. I was placed on academic probation for a "D" in my first semester (my other grades were Cs, hence 1.67 GPA). I had 2 semesters to raise it to 2.0, and was able to raise it to 1.92 in the 2nd semester.

My third and best semester was marred by a failure in Research and Writing, after my teacher reported me for PLAGIARISM on my 3rd and final paper. Mind you. I did 2 previous papers, PLUS a re-write of the 2nd paper (for extra credit), and CITED MY SOURCES (hence, I was NOT trying to make it seem like they was my own word). On the 2nd paper - which was done exactly the same way - she wrote "great work," then FAILED ME and wrote me up on a honor code violation for plagiarism. She said I needed to put quotations as well. Had she told me that since the FIRST paper, it would have been a done deal. The quotations would have taken me at most, 5 minutes to do.

Needless to say, that "F" did me in. My final GPA was 1.86. I applied for a re-admission (which amounts to an appeal), and was denied. I waited 2 years and re-applied, and was denied and told (in the rejection letter) that I could NOT ever apply to Cooley again. I did not know it was even possibly for a school to tell that to a prospective student. I guess even if I re-took the LSAT and got a full score, I will not be good enough for Cooley. Please tell me the process/procedure for getting into the unaccredited school out west, as I am very much interested in doing something like that. My email is loumel1 at yahoo . com. Thanks.

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Louise
06/12/2012 11:21pm

Having said my piece as and ex Cooley student, I can say they had some good teachers, and they are very indepth with the teaching of the subjects. I still know much (if not all) of what I learned there, and although I do not test well, I have been working on my test-taking skills, and will take the knowledge elsewhere.

Folks mentioned how much money Cooley has, and how many scholarship they offer. Of course!! They accept 80% of applicants, and take their money for a year. Also, they have all these students, and probably the same amount of teachers as smallers law school. hence, they have 10 times the money, and the same amount of teachers to pay. I attended weekend classes, and there would be well in excess of 100 students in each class.

Cooley admits students 3 times per year, and they have 4 (soon to be 5) campuses. They dismiss 25% of the students after the first year, and another large percent by the end of the 2nd year and right up to the end of their law school career. No one is safe until the day you graduate!

That's how they get so much money. They accept a lot of students, but they do not keep them.

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Louise
06/12/2012 11:24pm

Having said my piece as and ex Cooley student, I can say they had some good teachers, and they are very indepth with the teaching of the subjects. I still know much (if not all) of what I learned there, and although I do not test well, I have been working on my test-taking skills, and will take the knowledge elsewhere.

Folks mentioned how much money Cooley has, and how many scholarship they offer. Of course!! They accept 80% of applicants, and take their money for a year. Also, they have all these students, and probably the same amount of teachers as smallers law school. hence, they have 10 times the money, and the same amount of teachers to pay. I attended weekend classes, and there would be well in excess of 100 students in each class.

Cooley admits students 3 times per year, and they have 4 (soon to be 5) campuses. They dismiss 25% of the students after the first year, and another large percent by the end of the 2nd year and right up to the end of their law school career. No one is safe until the day you graduate!

That's how they get so much money. They accept a lot of students, but they do not keep them.

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Rockstar05
02/16/2011 2:17am

Thank-you for sharing your experiences with us EscapedCooleyStudent.

Perhaps I should re-title the name of this blog as Cooley vs. Unaccredited but there might be too much debate.

Let's stick to the sure things in life and we should do just fine!! For example, Cooley is the biggest piece of shit in North America. I would rather get a "J.D." from a culinary school in Mexico than this "law school" as at least I would be more likely to find a paying job in the American job market(sorry if I offended any culinary schools by being compared to Cooley).

I created this blog so EVERYONE could make an INFORMED DECISION with respect to this and other "scam" schools. I have made all this information publicly available to ensure future prospective students are COMPLETELY INFORMED, and therefore attend these TTTT at their own peril. It is my wish and goal that this reaches the MAXIMUM AUDIENCE and is spread TO ALL THE NAIVE PROSPECTIVE LAW STUDENTS OF AMERICA FROM ALL ACROSS THE WORLD. Don't say no-one told you so...

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Cooley Defender
02/16/2011 12:06pm

Look, I am going to make a mild defense of Cooley, just based on what I have read. I am not a lawyer and did not ever attend Cooley, so you can certainly take issue with my points.

First, the reputation of Cooley is horrible. The "Cooley rankings" are a complete joke and should be immediately discontinued.

However, as you have pointed out, Cooley operates under a different premise than other law schools, they admit more students and they fail more. This model is not going to get you points in the rankings. However, it certainly seems as reasonable as only admitting a select group of students and passing them all. I am not defending the Cooley model - it's just different.

And Cooley does a decent job in getting graduates to pass the Michigan bar. So a Cooley education does appear to be helpful in getting the marginal law student to bar passage.

Having said that, any student should be aware that there chances of actually finding employment with a school of this reputation is virtually nil. The only reason to go would be that you can't get in anywhere else and passing the bar (but not getting a job) is useful. That shouldn't be too many people, but I suppose they exist.


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joe
02/16/2011 12:21pm

Ok, I'm sure I'm going to get flamed, but...

Because cooley makes it hard to get an A on exam by having closed-book exams, it is a shitty law school? I get the whole financial aspect of this, and I agree that the cost of cooley (and all other law schools) is ridiculously high, but does that mean cooley provides a bad education? It seems like the other way around. They give everyone a chance, and many don't make it, but some do.

As for the 2.0 curve - why is that bad? Shouldn't a C be average? Half above and half below?

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Rockstar05
02/16/2011 2:00pm

STAY TUNED WHILE I FINISH MY LUNCH THEN PROCEED TO FLAME THE ABOVE TWO POSTERS FOR THEIR SILLY POSTS!

Actually you know what, MY LUNCH CAN WAIT!

In all fairness I was expecting MUCH MUCH worse from Cooley defenders. These two aren’t completely clueless and sheltered from the reality of the Thomas Cooley shithole. 36 hours of being live and over 800 unique visitors...I KNEW IT WOULD ONLY BE A MATTER OF TIME before some COOLEY DEFENDERS popped up.....as they have on several other forums then get sent into oblivion for their nonsensical lame and irrational attempts to defend the school or justify their individual attendance. These posts are far less idiotic than what I expected.

First things first, I will deal with Cooley Defender . Before reading the link below that I will rely on as “accurate” and “truthful”, I would like to bring to everyone’s attention that these are SELF REPORTED STATISTICS from the most unethical and deceptive law school in the nation, known as the Thomas M. Cooley Law School. Also keep in mind there are reports all over the internet that the true attrition rate over all three years leaves only 25% of the entering class to write the bar.

http://www.cooley.edu/overview/barresults.html

YOU WOULD HOPE THAT THE WORST LAW SCHOOL IN NORTH AMERICA WOULD BY ACCEPTING LITERALLY EVERY CANDIDATE THAT APPLIES TO IT AND BY FLUNKING OUT ¾ (75%) OF ITS STARTING CLASS WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE, THAT THE TOP 25% OF THE ENTERING CLASS INCLUDING THE 100% SCHOLARSHIP STUDENTS MANAGE A BAR PASSAGE RATE ONLY A FEW POINTS BEHIND THE STATE AVERAGE!!!! Their bar passage rate is ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC when you look at it from this CORRECT perspective.

Imagine taking the top 25% writers at another school that DOESN’T have a policy of FLUNKING OUT 75% of its starting class. They bar passage rate for those schools would probably me in the 95%+ range!!!! Cooley is pathetic for this same reason….and THEY FLUNK PPL OUT so more people PASS THE BAR LEADING TO A HIGHER BAR PASSAGE RATE…to lead INNOCENT FOOLS LIKE YOU WHO DON’T KNOW ANY BETTER TO THINK....”WOW I DON’T KNOW WHY EVERYONE IS SO NEGATIVE ABOUT COOLEY, THEIR BAR PASS IS RIGHT AROUND AVERAGE, YOU KNOW WHAT (either because of a lucrative scholarship because you are semi-intelligent, OR because you have virtually no other options) I WILL ATTEND HERE”. YOU FOOLISH LEMMING, if you read my article above properly you would see that this is THE COOLEY BUSINESS MODEL AT WORK! I broke down that business model in caveman terms and YOU PEOPLE STILL DON’T UNDERSTAND??? They do this to attract and retain more students, keeping the better, and rejecting the worse and pocketing money from 75% of the naïve fools who attend, do the math lemming:

Imagine you have inelastic demand….regardless of how many seats you have they WILL FILL, and at WHATEVER COST, because HEY, EVERYONE WANTS TO BE A LAWYER! Assuming the 75% who flunk out are the same dumbasses who couldn’t get a scholarship at this waste bucket:

Yearly Cost of Attending (Tuition and Books)- $36000

Entering Cooley Class:
Out of the 5000 acceptance letters let us assume that 4000 poor suckers actually accept an offer to go here. 3000/4000 of these guys will flunk out, meaning only 1000/4000 of these guys will actually graduate
3000*36,000=108,000,000
3000*full cost of attending to students 50K per year=150,000,000
COOLEY POCKETS $108M/YEAR ON THIS SCAM!!! ALL THE WHILE THESE POOR STUDENTS RACK UP 150M ON DEBT!!!! Ok I will say that due to inaccurate attrition rates everywhere that these numbers may be inflated. But NOONE can argue with the fact that the attrition rate here is HUGE and AMONG THE WORST IN THE COUNTRY. SO NO, THIS MODEL IS NOT RESPECTABLE AT ALL COOLEY DEFENDER.

Thank-you for conceding the following and giving yourself any sense of intellectual credibility:

“Having said that, any student should be aware that there chances of actually finding employment with a school of this reputation is virtually nil. The only reason to go would be that you can't get in anywhere else…. That shouldn't be too many people, but I suppose they exist.”

As for your earlier comments, if you aren’t considering law school or cannot understand simple business concepts or my spelling out of the Cooley scam in the lengthy blog post above please refrain from making silly comments. Just read and you might learn a few things! You can drop me a thank-you later.



LEMMING #2 Mr. JOE (clearly the bigger lemming)

I AM FINDING IT DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE THAT YOU READ MY ENTIRE POST AND THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS, ARE YOU FOR REAL??
I won’t address WHAT MAKES COOLEY a shitty law school. I believe I have hit every point in a persuasive manner, as well as provided links and insight into the “Cooley factor” to the outside world. The difficulty of achievin

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Rockstar05
02/16/2011 2:15pm

LEMMING #2 Mr. JOE (clearly the bigger lemming)

I AM FINDING IT DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE THAT YOU READ MY ENTIRE POST AND THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS, ARE YOU FOR REAL??
I won’t address WHAT MAKES COOLEY a shitty law school. I believe I have hit every point in a persuasive manner, as well as provided links and insight into the “Cooley factor” to the outside world. The difficulty of achieving good grades at this school does play a part. Graduating from this school is bad enough….the grades come into play because on a 4.0 scale, NO EMPLOYER WILL TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY given the grade curve. This is Cooley’s last laugh going all the way to the bank while making sure they fuck you over for the rest of your life: all that debt, and literally no means to a job to pay it off.
There are MUCH BETTER SCHOOLS were 3.00 is the “average”….at Cooley I would estimate that is around a 2.50….NOW THINK ABOUT A SCHOOL WITH A REPUTATION AS THE WORST LAW SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY, AND THE AVERAGE GRAD HAS A 2.5????? YOU WOULD KICK THAT JOB APPLICANT OUT OF YOUR OFFICE. Who would hire someone like that? That GPA is not reflective of law school performance. Hence, PART of the reason why Cooley is a bad school.

And no, think about it, in this depressed legal job market do u think the bottom 50% of the class, C- and below will actually get hired, especially from this fourth-rate TTTT???!!!

Finally, further proof you either a) did not read my blog or b) have HORRIBLE reading comprehension, you have missed the point of my blog. I never insulted the quality of education. Just expressed my empathy and pity for the grads who do work hard and graduate from this school to never get a job, any respect, recognition, or a salary that matches the level of effort they put into law school.

Next time you post please read carefully and THINK BEFORE POSTING Mr. Joe. I will not be so nice to repeat offenders.

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Cooley Defender
02/16/2011 2:43pm

Okay, I already hate my name because I'm not really defending Cooley.

Rockstar05 (much better choice) you have a logical problem in your argument. You say:

1. Cooley is a money making machine.
2. Cooley fails 75% of the students.

Which is it? You can't be both, they would obviously make more money if they didn't fail everyone.

I remember my grandfather telling me that when he went to law school after WWI (yes WWI - my grandpappy was old) they took everyone and failed a bunch out. Or at least I think he did. So maybe Cooley is just old school.

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Rockstar05
02/16/2011 3:31pm

When you look for logic, look no further than my posts.

Your post is CLEARLY INDICATIVE of AGAIN, NOT UNDERSTANDING THE BUSINESS MODEL.

Think about it this way....LOGICALLY. THROUGH SHEER NUMBERS, COOLEY ACCOMPLISHES BOTH. They send out almost 5000 acceptance letters!!! THIS WAY THEY CAN AFFORD TO BANK FIRST YEAR TUITION FOR 75% OF THOSE WHO ATTEND THE SCHOOL, FLUNK THOSE OUT, YET STILL RETAIN A STUDENT BODY THAT IS LIKELY THREE TIMES A REGULAR LAW SCHOOLS ENROLLMENT AND CONTINUE MAKING MONEY!! IN THE MEANTIME THEY RETAIN THE "BEST" STUDENTS TO INCREASE BAR PASSAGE RATES AND KEEP COOLEY LOOKING LIKE A GOOD INVESTMENT!!!

I DONT KNOW HOW MUCH MORE SIMPLER I CAN EXPLAIN THE ABOVE^.

They advertise themselves as one of the private schools with the LOWEST tuition. Sure we can give them that...but due to the volume of students and multiple campuses (currently 4), I would not be suprised if they were in the MOST WEALTHIEST law school school as well....if not, then certainly in the top ten I would assume.

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Fetch
02/16/2011 3:47pm

Iknow three kids from NY who recently uprooted, and traveled to Lansing to attend this 4T dump. These kids are graduates from 4T UGC toilets and performed miserably on the LSAT. Cooley was the *only* law school they would get accepted into.

But here's the deal...these kids think they could transfer to a better ranked law school after one year at Cooley. Why the ABA does not do the responsible thing in pulling the plug in accrediting Cooley is beyond me. This school is really doing a great disservice to these kids. Some of these kids didn't perform that well in UGC. What makes this school administration think that these kids have what it takes in being an attorney?

Most of the student body is not there because they want to go to Cooley; they are there because they can't get accepted into any other law school. And it's egregious that the ABA allows this low ranked school to accept applicants and charge such an outrageous amount of tuition. There has to be some cut off point in which people should not be admitted into law school. Not everyone is cut out to be an attorney, just as not everyone is cut out to be a doctor. It’s shocking that the ABA is more concerned about generating money from school accreditation than being concerned about upholding standards and integrity in this field, and that sickens me.

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Rockstar05
02/16/2011 3:54pm

Excellent post Fetch. You reinforced what I said and added additional constructive insight.

This blog post/article now serves MULTIPLE PURPOSES:

1) Prospective Law School Students- avoid Cooley at all costs. If this is your ONLY option, retake the LSAT or find a different career.

2) The intervention of the ABA and regulation of reporting standards to uphold the integrity of "law schools" as institutions and the profession itself

Looking forward to more posts like the above.

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EscapedCooleyStudent
02/16/2011 4:12pm

Yes the unaccredited law school experience has definitely been a hard road. Most unaccredited LS's are diploma mills that would put Cooley to shame on the % they fail out. The only difference between most unaccredited schools and Cooley is they do their “scam” on a smaller scale. These places charge between 4-8k a year for their 4 year programs, and have smaller student bodies. So you are not left a debt slave like at Cooley, but you are left without a JD in most cases, or without any real chance of ever passing the bar.

The Baby Bar claims most 1st year students with an 82% failure rate, it is merciless. There are people that have take the exam 10 times and never passed. It is a test designed by the state of California to fail you. For instance, having aced one class I figured my BB exam for that subject would be cake, surprise I ended up with a score in the mid 60' s in it. Like I said, its a brutal test, only by selling your soul to your law books will you have any hope. Only by the grace of God did I pass that test.

One prominent example of trash unaccredited school is Peoples College of Law. A place with its only noteworthy accomplishment is it had 1 person finally pass the bar in the last few years, that's right 1 person! Out of countless others that failed out!

Either because of failing the Baby Bar or flunking out academically you are not going to become a JD at most non ABA unaccredited schools or at Peoples. And even if they do get to take the Cali Bar, most Peoples Students fail it time and again! For instance the mayor of LA went there, and failed the bar 3 times before calling it quits!

Oh and here is a great picture of their campus, you will get a laugh out of this one. I just hope this is not one of their students!

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=86431

As for my unaccredited LS it is at the other end of the spectrum. Its sort of a T1 unaccredited, if such a thing exists, lol. Kind of an oxymoron I know, but I am getting a great education. Highest Baby Bar passage in the state more or less. The only negative aspect is tough curve, not as bad as Cooley's by any means, but when you have to kill yourself for 2.5ish you know your in trouble, especially when a lot ABA LS' have a B+ curve. If I am lucky employers will just assume my school is accredited when I apply for a job, and not ask about my GPA. If I have passed the bar, they don't need to know my school isn't accredited why does it matter even matter at the end of the day if I have passed the bar anyway?

Did I mention closed book exams, that's standard for the Baby Bar and every unaccredited LS I have ever heard of. But in the end I will be able to take the bar in a few years, and practice. And at only 4-5k a year its a deal, compared to Cooley's 30k+!

As for the Cooley Defender, do you have no shame!? The place took my 30k, didn't give me any credit hours, kept me from transferring to a real ABA school because of the curve. Then sent me a we are sorry but you can't come back next year because you got a C- in a few classes, and thus have below a 2.0 letter! Thankfully I had already been accepted to my unaccredited school so I didn't go nuts.

Cooley has no shame, and neither do most of the unaccredited schools out there. Some of them are even for profit, following Cooley's business model in a lot of respects, except they get to keep the cash at the end of the day, instead of funneling it into Prof salaries and huge libraries no body really uses. But is there really that big of a difference? A scam is a scam!

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Cooley Defender
02/16/2011 5:38pm

Okay, this is my last post because the argument I was trying to make (and I think is still valid) is pretty limited. I was just saying that Cooley has a different model. And that different model is the main reason it is ranked so poorly. It is not because of the GPA curve, large library or pathetic administration. Cooley would be right up there in the rankings with the right LSAT/GPA mix and we all know it.

But if you're thinking of going to Cooley, don't use my posts as justification. As we have seen, you will probably either fail out or be an unemployed lawyer with debt. Not so great, eh? Also read Nando's entry where he talks about a Cooley graduate who was forced into solo and is now facing malpractice complaints - this is a real problem for new attorneys forced to be solos.

Even with there dubious stats, the claimed starting salary is only 50K. Look, I busted out of law school myself many years ago and I make 200K and don't even work that hard. You don't have to be a lawyer to make money.

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Rockstar05
02/17/2011 4:31pm

ATTENTION COOLEY DEFENDER:

"Cooley would be right up there in the rankings with the right LSAT/GPA mix and we all know it."

Doubtful. That is a very bold statement. Alas, I am tired and do not feel like addressing it or tearing your logic to shreds. If Cooley ever becomes "right up there" and out of the fourth tier trash of America even if it COMPLETELY OVERHAULS its model, I will provide a handgun and my personal address and let you do the honors good sir.

Congrats on the 200k/year. Mind sharing what you did post law school to achieve that?

You can give any potential Cooley student and Cooley grad hope that there are options beyond a "useless Cooley J.D." and plus I am also personally curious.

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02/17/2011 5:18pm

Rockstar 05:

I am no match for your analytical abilities, but even so, I feel you have done an excellent job here.

My experience, though short, with blogging is that the very first page and most recent post gets all of the views by far.

Also, there is a need to repeat the blogger's messages, and be redundant, because prior posts get buried and read much less often.

I would love to possibly refer to this post on my blog in a future post, and compare Touro to Cooley.

You have made, and brought to light some very keen observations about a very cunning industry that has been ripping many people off, and very badly, for far too long.

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Informant
02/17/2011 10:59pm

Great Great Great Post! So great that I'd like to solve the Cooley enigma for everyone, Thomas M. Cooley is a sham Corporation. Their sole operational goal is using their students to make and create (pay close attention to my use of the word 'creating') securities that they can offer, and sell to banks, student loan servicers, guaranty agencies, investment banks, and institutional investors. In fact, a good portion of Cooley's 'Administrators' and 'Executive Officers' are actually full time employees at banks, investment firms, private equity firms and securities dealers. Cooley has been able to get away with this for years by misspelling names, omitting letters from names, and/or using maiden names on their website, literature, etc. Hopefully, when you add this information to RockStar05's brilliant explanation the Cooley scheme will make more and more sense. I will post more when I get more info from my insider at Cooley!

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You know who
02/17/2011 11:24pm

Just Started my own law school scam blog. Its got to be a first. Its dedicated to exposing the scam that is the ABA law school system, centering on places like the trash bin that is Thomas Cooley. Also it highlights the alternative unaccredited law schools.

Believe it or not you can go to law school for 4k or less a year! Take that Cooley, and you ABA chumps!

http://abanoway.wordpress.com/

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guest
03/02/2011 1:34am

http://erinmpitcher.blogspot.com/2011/02/jobs-blogs-and-other-things.html

Check out this idiot's blog. The girl writes at an 8th grade level. And she has the nerve to attack a scamblogger who backs up his case with the facts? Have fun at Florida Coastal Law.

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03/02/2011 2:48am

Art is much less important than life, but what a poor life without it !

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03/04/2011 3:25am

your website is so great that i love it very much. thank you for sharing it with us.

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03/07/2011 3:03pm

@JD Painter Guy- thank you for your kind words. Feel free to refer to my post as you wish. I look forward to reading your post on Touro. Please be sure to post a link here so I can take a look!

@Informant- anything new??

@You Know Who- instead of spending 100-200k on a JD from an ABA approved school (such as Cooley) to start at 35K or spend 15k-20k on a non-ABA approved school to start at 30-35k the non-aba route SURE SEEMS SOLID. Unlikely that most will take that route as it is inherently risky and ppl in TTTT tend to be optimists

@guest- looks like nando ripped her accordingly followed up by a supporting thrashing from J-Dog

@Running Shoes and @Nike Duck Shoes

what the fuck? are you spamming on my blog post? Get lost motherfuckers.

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Jay Daniels
03/09/2011 12:57pm

Cooley is the worst dump of life. I went there thinking the 75% scholarship was worth it. Luckily I was able to survive and now i'm a 2L at Seton Hall. FUCK THAT PLACE!!!

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guest
03/13/2011 6:16pm

http://thirdtierreality.blogspot.com/2010/03/smoldering-steaming-pile-of-excrement.html

Good entry over here. Why does this guy attract so many Cooley defenders?? Do you suspect the school hires cocksucksers to defend it on the internet?

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03/16/2011 11:13pm

It's a nice post!Thanks for your good work,it helps me a lot!I will come back again!blogging is spreading its wings rapidly. Your write up is often a fine example of it.

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Informant
03/25/2011 2:42am

Rockstar05,

As of right now, I'm unable to share the most recent events. Hopefully, I'll be able to spill the beans soon.

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03/25/2011 3:33am

Asset protection refers to a set of legal techniques that protect a person's property from creditors and judgments. While there have always been protective measures available to persons to protect their assets, there has never been as great an interest in asset protection until recent years.

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MSULawSpartan
03/28/2011 8:27pm

As a student at MSU Law, located 5 miles east of Cooley Law, it is frustrating as fuck to have this diploma mill so close by. Michigan has a real shitty economy to begin with, and with Cooley and its 4 campuses, the market here is completely flooded. Not to mention there is University of Detroit Mercy (which isn't that much better) that isn't far behind Cooley. I realize MSU isn't that highly ranked (at least we are top 100 woohoo!), but our curve isn't that harsh, our attrition rate is low, and although the tuition is high, there are generous scholarships being handed out. Cooley is the butt of many jokes here on campus, both with the students and the professors. I think we had one professor teaching here from Cooley, but she was an adjunct writing prof.

A Cooley degree is like a scarlet letter in the legal world: you have whored yourself out to the school that lets everyone in. If you had a bad LSAT/UGPA, then maybe you just weren't cut out for law school. Don't give me this bullshit about being a bad test taker or partying too much. If you can't hack it in undergrad, you shouldn't go to law school. A lawyer is a professional, not a recovering fuck-up. If you can't score above a 155 on your LSAT, just give up and go back to watching Judge Judy.

Unfortunately, being from Michigan, Cooley is well known throughout the state with laymen, and in a good way. They associate the name with the legal community (in fact, when I tell people I go to MSU Law, many laymen say "Oh, so you go to Cooley?"). Some of my former classmates from high school are enrolled at that piece of crap school, and let's just say they weren't the kids who were spending time in debate club or pushing themselves to score 5's on their AP tests. And whenever I have to go downtown to the courthouse (located a block away from Cooley) to file something for work, I always see the shadiest motherfuckers with backpacks making their way to Colley Law School. High caliber of students they let in there.

And lastly, who the heck comes up with an arbitrary rankings system and doesn't even place themselves first?

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Anonlaw
06/05/2012 10:09am

<i>Unfortunately, being from Michigan, Cooley is well known throughout the state with laymen, and in a good way. They associate the name with the legal community (in fact, when I tell people I go to MSU Law, many laymen say "Oh, so you go to Cooley?")</i>

I had to laugh (rather bitterly) at this. I'm a Michigander, and waaay back before I started law school in 2005, I would tell acquaintances I was going to law school. They would invariably say, "Oh! Cooley?"

To which I would respond with a derisive laugh and a "No, University of Michigan."

The MSU law grads I've known seem to have their heads on straight, and they all seemed well-prepared for practice. I won't comment on the Cooley grads I've worked with (or faced off with in court), because as Mom always said, if you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all.

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03/31/2011 7:26am

Hey Rockstar05:

Would you mind if I put a link to this article on my most recent post?

I mention the way in which Touro withheld grades into the second semester, and I want to indicate that Touro is not the only school to do this, and then mention where you state that Cooley has done so.

I'll check back later tonight after work, or you can e-mail me at jdpainterguy@gmail.com

In my mind, after everything else gets said by the scambloggers, the most damning thing is the withholding of the grades, which nobody can deny.

And it is rendered more egregious because of the source of the funds (Federally backed Student Loans)

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03/31/2011 9:51am

Hey JD Painter Guy,

I did reply to you about seven posts up. Feel free to post a link to this article. The truth about these scam schools needs to be spread. Also, post a link here to your blog post. Would like to check it out.

Good day,

Rockstar05

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03/31/2011 10:27am

http://lawschooltuitionbubble.wordpress.com/2011/03/29/law-graduate-overproduction-by-state-aka-%e2%80%9cthe-holy-grail%e2%80%9d/


This site is absolutely incredible. It uses practical hard numbers (through raw data and projections) to illustrate the state of the U.S. legal job market. Note that Cooley is probably single handedly accounting for 50% of Michigan's lawyer production....leading to the flooded market in what is already an ECONOMICALLY DECIMATED state to begin with. Again, fuck you Cooley.

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Former Top Student at Cooley
03/31/2011 3:12pm

Here are some more comments about transferring:

1. Cooley will hinder you from transferring by refusing to provide documents to schools that request them. Cooley will say it cannot release information it received from third parties because it cannot verify its accuracy. A: Cooley thought it was accurate enough to base its admission decisions on it, and B: The schools requesting information obviously aren't concerned about its accuracy, otherwise they wouldn't request LSDAS info.

2. I was the top student at Cooley and had incoming an incoming LSAT score that was in the 80th percentile. My first semester at Cooley, I was ranked no. 1 overall and received the top score (book award) on every exam I wrote.

I wanted to transfer to schools in Florida. I got in at 1st-tier schools there, but University of Miami tabled my admission decision and requested an extra letter of recommendation--despite having incoming credentials that would have placed me easily within the top 20% of Miami law 1Ls.

3. It may be tough to get a letter of recommendation. Many Cooley professors refuse to give them and take it as an insult that you want to leave their school. My response to them was, what more do I have to prove here?

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03/31/2011 5:24pm

Rockstar05:

Thanks. Here is the link to my recent Post where I likewise link to this Post.

http://esquirepainting.blogspot.com/2011/03/here-is-my-law-school-transcript.html

A lot of hits today, and hopefully a lot more to come, so maybe you will see it reflected in the # of views on your blog.

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Cooley Pride
03/31/2011 5:34pm

I scored low on the LSAT(142,) and only had a 2.4 from the University of Kansas. Cooley was the only school to accept me, and thus offered me a spot in their AAMPLE program. If I pass, I am admitted into their school!! Although the AAMPLE program is costly, I believe it is well worth it. Cooley sees through the numbers, and realizes that the LSAT is racially biased. They know that LSAT and GPA are in no way good predictors of law school success.

I have learned a lot about Cooley through their website, which is the only source of information one should use when choosing a law school due to the fact that the law school knows itself better then anyone else.

If Cooley is so horrible, why would the ABA accredit them? Furthermore, if it is so bad, why are they ranked 2nd in another objective but more obscure set of rankings?

My goal is to be a lawyer, and Cooley will give me the skills I need to be successful. At the end of the day, law school is law school, and a degree is a degree. No one cares where you went. As long as you pass the bar, you will be in demand. This blog is full of lies. I am going to be a lawyer; naisayers be damned! Cooley has a superb reputation in the state of Michigan, and once I graduate, it should be quite easy to find a job.

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reality
04/12/2012 5:36pm

If you need that to get in, you shouldn't be in. Some people don't have what it takes for a trade, you should be ashamed. If you were born with one eye you could not be a sniper.

AAMPLE is a scam. They feed off suckers. Sorry but you are a prime example and deep down you know it too.

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AC
04/13/2012 3:51pm

1~Q~If Cooley is so horrible, why would the ABA accredit them? A~Because the ABA is a Figure head organization with no real power to regulate the multi-million dollar law schools. Also, they in Cooley's pocket.
2~Q Furthermore, if it is so bad, why are they ranked 2nd in another objective but more obscure set of rankings?
A~I hope you aren't that dense to think that the person who rank Cooley doesn't work for Cooley. The only true objective rnaking is U.S. News week. Cooley couldn't make the Top 125!

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AC
04/13/2012 3:51pm

1~Q~If Cooley is so horrible, why would the ABA accredit them? A~Because the ABA is a Figure head organization with no real power to regulate the multi-million dollar law schools. Also, they in Cooley's pocket.
2~Q Furthermore, if it is so bad, why are they ranked 2nd in another objective but more obscure set of rankings?
A~I hope you aren't that dense to think that the person who rank Cooley doesn't work for Cooley. The only true objective ranking is U.S. News week. Cooley couldn't make the Top 125!

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AC
04/13/2012 3:51pm

1~Q~If Cooley is so horrible, why would the ABA accredit them? A~Because the ABA is a Figure head organization with no real power to regulate the multi-million dollar law schools. Also, they in Cooley's pocket.
2~Q Furthermore, if it is so bad, why are they ranked 2nd in another objective but more obscure set of rankings?
A~I hope you aren't that dense to think that the person who rank Cooley doesn't work for Cooley. The only true objective ranking is U.S. News week. Cooley couldn't make the Top 125!

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AC
04/13/2012 3:51pm

1~Q~If Cooley is so horrible, why would the ABA accredit them? A~Because the ABA is a Figure head organization with no real power to regulate the multi-million dollar law schools. Also, they in Cooley's pocket.
2~Q Furthermore, if it is so bad, why are they ranked 2nd in another objective but more obscure set of rankings?
A~I hope you aren't that dense to think that the person who rank Cooley doesn't work for Cooley. The only true objective ranking is U.S. News week. Cooley couldn't make the Top 125!

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Anna Sanchez
04/01/2011 1:26am

HAHAHA, thank you for a good laugh...nothing I enjoy more than hearing about students that couldnt hack it at Cooley, getting pissed off and talking trash about the school. If Cooley was sooo easy for you then you should have been booking every class right??? and I promise you, you dont even have one book award. If it was sooo easy the fail out rate wouldnt be as high as it is now right???? If you know the law inside and out then you are going to pass. Cooley does not fail you because you know the material, they fail you because you DONT!!!!! Which is exactly the reason why Cooley is a great law school. At Cooley the standards and requirements are much much higher than other schools. We have to take exams with time restraints, they are all closed books, we dont get a "reading week" to study, we have classes all the way up to exams. The final grade is based on our final exam. So yes, if you want to do well at Cooley then you better know the law inside and out or you will fail out...isnt that what you want in a lawyer??? someone that knows the law???? and just to point out the obvious, Cooley grads have to take AND PASS the exact same BAR exam as everyone else. And only someone who is failing out or has failed out is concerned about the 4 weeks until grades get posted to know if you're allowed back the next term, if you know your law you wont be facing that problem. So the day you can come back to this school and succeed will be the day I listen to your ignorant and inaccurate accusations...and its very sad to see someone that I have to share a profession with, sit behind a computer screen like a big badass and talk trash about a school they failed out of. Clearly you learned nothing at Cooley because at Cooley they stress ethics and class, and carrying yourself as a cut above. So its very clear to see you just couldnt cut it at Cooley. Dont beat urself up, its not for everyone. just the best of the best.

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Anna Sanchez is an idiot
04/01/2011 3:15pm

Let me address this moronic post.

First off, Cooley fails out so many people because these people had NO business being in law school to begin with. Think about it. Do you really think that someone who earned a 2.5 ugpa in, and an LSAT of 143 has any chance in hell at passing the bar? Undergrad is a cakewalk compared to law school, and if you cannot excel there, then you stand no chance in law school.

Cooley realizes that they accept morons such as yourself. To compensate for that, they flunk most of them in order to keep their bar rate respectable. Law school is certainly not for everybody, regardless of what Cooley would have you think. Cooley is by far the biggest laughing stock in the country, and no employer in their right mind would hire a Cooley grad.

Anna, you are on your high horse right now, but talk to me a year after you graduate when you are making $8.45 an hour greeting people at WAL-MART. You are obviously an idiot, because you were unable to get into any other school besides Cooley. Doesn't that tell you something? If no respectable law school wants you, do you really have the aptitude needed to be a successful lawyer?

Cooley preys on idiots like Sanchez, takes their money, then flunks them after a year. Cooley knows these kids do not belong in law school, but it takes them anyway. You want to talk ethics Anna? Tell me, what is so ethical about taking 35 grand from someone who is not qualified for law school, and then flunking them out after a year?

You and your school are both pathetic. Have fun finding ANY law firm ANYWHERE that will hire you.

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Anna Sanchez
04/01/2011 11:25pm

so clearly you didnt get into any place either to begin with, which is exactly why you went to Cooley in the first place. Because im sure you would have done your research before choosing a school as your final decision and im sure if you would have looked into it you would have chosen somewhere else. Its pretty clear to see your bitter about your failures. its ok, like you said; Cooley isnt for everyone, and that included you. Best of Luck to you!!!!!!!!

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Anna Sanchez is an idiot
04/01/2011 11:55pm

I didn't go to Cooley, you dumb bitch. I attend a tier school, because unlike you, I had a decent LSAT score and ugpa. My school is far from Harvard, but it is a respectable regional school that will hopefully help land me a decent job. Have fun finding employment with your Cooley degree!!

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Anna Sanchez is an idiot
04/01/2011 11:57pm

Had a typo in the above post. I attend a tier two school.

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anna sanchez
04/04/2011 12:55am

so you didnt go to Cooley, then you have no grounds to stand on. I refuse to visit this page any more. Ive clearly defeated your arguments.

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Rockstar05
04/06/2011 10:56pm

@Cooley Pride

“I have learned a lot about Cooley through their website, which is the only source of information one should use when choosing a law school due to the fact that the law school knows itself better then anyone else.”

“If Cooley is so horrible, why would the ABA accredit them? Furthermore, if it is so bad, why are they ranked 2nd in another objective but more obscure set of rankings?”

Have you not read any of the blog before leaving your comments? Cooley is nationally ridiculed for providing their own rankings! These rankings in addition to their website are used as marketing tools! Law schools are run as businesses, especially low-ranked private schools.

Additionally, did you claim my blog is full of lies? Such a generalized claim has ZERO CREDIBILITY. Especially when you have not identified ONE PART of my blog that remotely distorts the truth. Your unsubstantiated claims are a clear indication of your foolishness, and likely, your poor LSAT score. All the best with Cooley chump, and finding “easy employment” in the state of Michigan. Don’t say you weren’t warned lemming.

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04/06/2011 11:25pm

@Anna Sanchez

Congratulations, you seem to have the reading comprehension skills of a 4th grader. Is that why you did poorly on the LSAT and no option BUT Cooley? I’m surprised it took over 6 weeks for a retarded moron such as yourself to post something stupid on here. It was inevitable I admit, but I expected something a bit more credible or worthwhile. Most Pro-Cooley bloggers have avoided leaving comments on my blog after I have TRUTFULLY ANNIHILATED the school for what it is on every level imaginable….all using first hand knowledge and experience. But anyways, I’ll just provide a summary of why you are an idiot.

• Couldn’t hack it? You clearly cannot read…I state several times in the blog post that I transferred to a school that is MUCH BETTER than Cooley

• Never said Cooley was easy, in fact, I said it was the exact opposite. This makes it more difficult to transfer out (which is what 95% of 1L’s are trying to do), and for graduates who rank in the top 25% but only have a 3.0 GPA to show from one of the ABA law schools with the WORST REPUTATION in the country which does very little to help the employability of Cooley Grads

• You claim I do not have a book award? How can you substantiate this claim? Do you know my name? Or did you personally know everyone who has booked a class AT EACH OF THE FOUR COOLEY CAMPUSES? I never did claim that I “owned” Cooley…but I did do well enough to transfer out

• “We have to take exams with time restraints, they are all closed books, we dont get a "reading week" to study, we have classes all the way up to exams. The final grade is based on our final exam.”

You clearly cannot read because I have pointed out everything you have stated above WITHIN THE BLOG.

• You claim I am “talking trash” about the school….but you have not pointed out one mistake, fallacy, or inaccuracy in my the scam that is the Thomas M. Cooley Law School…UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS ARE FOR MORONS LIKE YOURSELF ONLY, NO WONDER YOU’RE STILL AT COOLEY

• I never stated Cooley students who passed the bar were more or less qualified than other law students….THIS MUST BE YOUR INFERIORITY COMPLEX LASHING OUT….its okay, several Cooley students tend to react like this, completely off-topic , trying to put any irrelevant point into play to give their school any credibility

• “And only someone who is failing out or has failed out is concerned about the 4 weeks until grades get posted to know if you're allowed back the next term, if you know your law you wont be facing that problem.”

WHAT ABOUT TRANSFER APPLICATIONS YOU DUMBASS? That was the reason why I pointed out the delay in grades. But yes, as JD Painterguy has pointed out, for students on the brink of academic dismissal this can also pose significant issues.

• “So the day you can come back to this school and succeed will be the day I listen to your ignorant and inaccurate accusations...and its very sad to see someone that I have to share a profession with, sit behind a computer screen like a big badass….”

AGAIN UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS…..calling my claims ignorant and inaccurate when you have not pointed out ANYTHING that is remotely inaccurate or untrue. You deserve a moron of the year award! Also, me come back to Cooley??? Couldn’t pay me to do it. Even if my new law school failed me out, I would rather change careers then come back to Cooley! As for sitting behind a computer, I’ve verbally shredded illiterate morons like to the extent they have cried themselves to sleep. Want to meet for coffee sometime?

• The truly ethically bankrupt BUSINESS that is the Thomas M. Cooley Law School has been aptly described by myself, followed up by a concise run through by “Anna Sanchez is an idiot” (thanks btw), please refer above.

• A school I failed out of? Couldn’t cut it at Cooley? OK Superstar, why don’t I post my offer letter and registration at MY NEWER HIGHER RANKED SCHOOL so you can eat ALL YOUR WORDS? I’ll do ALL THIS just to show that unlike you and your disgusting school, I am honest and do have both ETHICS AND INTEGRITY. But I would also like to expose you for the stupid moronic bitch that you are. Please post your Cooley photo ID card as well as a personal statement saying that "COOLEY IS THE WORST LAW SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY AS EXPOSED BY THIS TRUTHFUL REVOLUTIONARY BLOG, AND I AM ONE OF THE IDIOTS WHO HAS BOUGHT INTO AND BELIEVED THIS SCAM: AVOID COOLEY AT ALL COSTS". Do we have a deal????

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04/06/2011 11:26pm

@Anna Sanchez


I SAVED THE BEST FOR LAST, QUOTE ANNA SANCHEZ “....[Cooley,]its not for everyone. just the best of the best.”

I will not even bother to address the absurdity of that comment or on how delusional you really are. Go say that in ANY legal forum, in front of ANY other law student attending a different school, or in front of ANYONE in the legal community and witness their response for yourself.

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04/11/2011 8:01am

Hey Rockstar05:

My Post has had a huge swell in traffic,(for my blog anyway) so you might see more views this week, since I linked to here.

Keep up the good work! I can only wish I had your analytical skills.

http://esquirepainting.blogspot.com/2011/03/here-is-my-law-school-transcript.html

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04/11/2011 2:36pm

Thanks for the comment JDPainterguy. Seems like there was also a spike of multiple posters lately who all "happened" to be from the same IP address leaving stupid and irrelevant comments on this blog. So henceforth comments will be filtered and any stupid or irrelevant comments or personal attacks which add nothing insightful to the topic of this blog will be deleted.


I also just skimmed through the postings and wanted to correct my post above in my quickly typed but lengthy response to Anna Sanchez. I spelled TRUTHFULLY* wrong.

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Caribbea
04/19/2011 9:58pm

In defense of the People's College of Law, it is not your typical school. It is intended to provide a legal education to the disadvantaged for the express purpose of doing public interest law. ("PCL's goals are to advocate people before property, human rights, women's rights, tenants' rights, consumer rights, workers' rights; to fight discrimination, economic and political oppression; and to enable and empower those who have been historically denied legal resources and protections.") It charges almost nothing to attend (currently $223 per credit). Its faculty and staff are primarily volunteers. I don't go there, have never been there, and have nothing to do with it, but do know that it is a unique place. To compare it to any other law school is just unfair. It's almost like the old Mickey Rooney/Judy Garland movies where a bunch of kids get together and put on a show. Here, a bunch of community organizers got together and created a law school.

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Anonymous
04/21/2011 2:21am

@Anna Sanchez I respectfully disagree with your posts and the assertions made therein. An acquaintance of mine has been involved in an undercover investigation of Cooley for the past two years and here's what he and his team uncovered:


1.Cooley with holds grades and information to conceal their federal student loan fraud. Cooley administrators also operate the Michigan Higher Education Student Loan Authority’s student secondary market program, a student loan program that exists solely for the purpose of purchasing secondary market student loans for securitization.

2. Cooley, through the student secondary market program it operates purchases the college loans of incoming students. Cooley then uses your personal information to execute consolidation loans for the undergrad loans and the loans you take out to pay for Cooley’s law program. Cooley then changes your 'Anticipated Completion Date' to match the maturity date on the fraudulent consolidation loan; thus the reason COOLEY'S ATTRITION RATE IS RIDICULOUSLY AND CRIMINALLY HIGH! (BTW this is FRAUD so ALL of the LOANS they consolidated are FRAUDULENT)

3. The ‘consolidation’ or FRAUD loans are then packaged into pre-1993 or pre-2004 student loan revenue bonds and represented as being eligible for the 9.5 percent special allowance payment. The MI Student Loan Authority municipal revenue bonds are sold to bank/servicer created special purpose entities. The revenue bonds are then sold as Student Loan Auction Rate Securities to investment firms, investors, banks, servicers the special purpose entities, and guaranty agencies. Guess what Cooley flunks/fails you because they change your 'Anticipated Completion Date' to match the fraudulent consolidation loan they created and sold was sold!

Oh it gets MUCH MUCH BETTER

4. The entities that purchases the student loan auction rated securities then illegally and repeatedly access students' by representing that our reports were being accessed for ‘Promotional Purposes’. (Check your credit reports from 2007-present I bet you have 3 pages of "Promotional Inquiries) However, they're really verifying the personal information listed on the fraudulent consolidation loan promissory note that Cooley created (the Dept of Education req. verification of personal information). They verify the info/access your credit report every time the student loan auction rate securities were purchased by a new investment bank, bank, or servicer through its’ special purpose entity. After the information is verified they re-securitize the loans and sell them as SLABS or enter into SLARS swap agreements with other banks, investment firms, and servicer/guaranty agencies. However In both cases the loans are misrepresented as being 9.5 percent eligible.

5. A good portion of Cooley's 'Administrators' and 'Executive Officers' are actually full time employees at banks, investment firms, private equity firms and securities dealers. Cooley misspell names, omits letters from names, and/or uses maiden names for the Administrators on their website, literature, etc. to conceal their true employment because many of their names are also listed in their banks’ SEC filings. As a consequence, the School makes it look as though those students' whose loans were manipulated and used to collect special interest were dismissed for academic reasons, 'honor code violations', or suffer from a 'learning disability diagnosed by their specified psychologists who only accept cash payments and pay the School a patient referral fee, thus, extending their 'Anticipated Completion Date' to the date the lender changed it to in order to collect the 9.5% SAP.

AND THIS IS WHY COOLEY IS A SCAM!

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04/21/2011 2:14pm

^^^^^ This is even over my head. Buddy you got enough there to start your own blog posting on Cooley LOLLLL.

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Anonymous
04/22/2011 12:33am

LOL...well from what I understand it's been a two-year multi-agency undercover investigation/sting operation...that's about over. The big guys involved are pleading out one by one so I hear some of the Cooley folks are trying to turn state evidence to get immunity; but that could just be hearsay ;-)

He also said that they're going to push for a civil penalty or settlement that will include loan forgiveness/discharge of the Cooley fraud loans. If that happens the student loan debt bubble is gonna shrink by a few hundred million.

Here's the most recent indictment and plea deal.

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2011/March/11-at-398.html


@jdpainterguy Heard that they're doing the same thing at Touro, and a few other 'un-ranked' TTTT law schools.

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Ghost Face
04/22/2011 3:29am

What is the actual numbers of people going on academic probation at this school? Has to be crazy high?

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E.L. Adkins
04/29/2011 1:01am

Went to cooley. The tuition was actually much lower than other schools. Got an llm which cost waaay too much. Had no trouble getting a job first with a firm then onto a nonprofit policy organization where I now supervise columbia and nyu and other top school grads. I work hard am thoughtful of others and learned enough at coolio to figure out the answers to what I don't know. I am ethical. Make 6 figures. You rockstar have dedicated alot of time and effort to your "cause"...cheers I guess but I feel you are bitter and angry..your life is what you made it. Blame blame crazy man rant...boring and pathetic. Best of luck to you. Really being a lawyer kinda sucks whether from coolio or yale. But hey I live up to my choices.

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ryan
05/06/2011 11:00am

I want out. What school accepted you??

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Curious2011
05/17/2011 3:38pm

I loved your original blog post. I could literally feel the bitterness and anger just seeping out of you. Its the kind of unrelenting hate and unbashed vengenful attitude that brings out the mentally unstable of the virtual-world. You have created quite the hate site, my friend, and my hat is off to you. Any future plans/targets? You have a talent, and can definitely use it to spread "the right" kind of information. What law school did you attend?

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HumbleMe
05/18/2011 11:50am

Well, I am one of those who flunked this school. I only had two miserable years in my entire life, and those were in Cooley. Still paying my student loans unfortunately. May be Cooley should repay it. Administration was terrible. Talked to NYU students and was shocked that they had open book exams. And Cooley did not. I did not even dare to mention Cooley.
What do I do with two years down the drain and load of loans on my shoulders. None of my credits will be counted towards anything. Have to start from scratch all over again. Will do Ivy League Just to prove Cooley wrong.

Lucky you, you transferred, I could not do it. School made it too complicated. Perhaps that's why the grading was too tough. Every time I wanted to appeal my grade, all other professors did not recommend doing it, told us it was waste of time. What a scam. Should have appealed all grades.

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05/18/2011 11:52am

You all are ridiculous! The curriculum is the same regardless of what law school you attend. It's not hard to figure out where the author of this blog went (and failed out of!). Funny stuff....

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05/18/2011 1:50pm

@Ghost Face- no idea. The schools administration would probably never let the real figure out anyway.

@Xavier- LOL you are a funny guy. There is more of a chance of me sweeping floors if I had graduated with a JD from this piece of shit school. So I am a loser for spreading facts and awareness? You sound like more of a loser defending this trash pit with NO facts or insight whatsoever and leaving a stupid comment implying that I flunked out….what exactly are your motives posting an irrelevant comment on here u hostile fucking faggot? Did you get bitter because you’re sleeping floors with your prized Cooley J.D.???

@E.L. Adkins- I am actually pretty happy guy u moron. I was bitter when I posted this after realizing I wasted over 20k on 3 terms at this school and an entire year of my life. At my new school people when people found out I went to Cooley they were shocked and looked at me as though I was retarded. Time has passed now I could give a fuck less about people who go there or whatever. I was bitter because I didn’t know any better when I started and felt people should know the facts before they started….I was lucky enough to transfer out of that hell-hole that made it so difficult to do so…but I am quite happy and doing well in life. All the best to you as a lawyer….although you feel it sucks you should live up to your choice…hey at least you are one cooley grad who actually has a job right?

@Ryan- I still know a lot of people at cooley and if I give the name of the school I transferred to I am pretty sure it would identify who I am. Seeing as a lot of Cooley kids feel undermined by this blog post as I am exposing the scam of their already hopeless J.D. and legitimate 3 years of hard work they probably would not react very well with me….thousands of dollars and hard work and effort being downgraded…despite everything I said being true. Go look up ABA approved schools there are 193…which means there are 192 better options. Best of luck.

@Curious2011- yes. For the reasons I posted above in my response to E.L. Adkins I was bitter and pissed I wasted a year of my life and my good money at that shithole. Plus at my new school I could not apply for internships without putting that my GPA was IMPORTED FROM COOLEY which truly fucked me over at my new school because Cooley is the laughing stock of the nation.

Nando of third tier reality has a very similar tone and knack for telling it how is in a hilarious and convincing fashion backed entirely by facts… he has done a write-up on almost every trashpit law school in America and I have referenced him and his work throughout this post but I prefer to bash targets where I have first-hand experience so this will likely be my only post in terms of law schools.

I am content at my new law school and currently working on another accreditation simultaneously. I use my facebook to blast out people, day-to-day bullshit, and as a platform to spread the right kind of information but obviously will not share that here…

@Humble Me- sorry to hear. You are not alone…I’m sure one day when this school is exposed there will be thousands of others who stand up as well.

@Na-Cl-er- You are an idiot. First, the curriculum is NOT the same at every law school. First year is pretty standard but otherwise you are incorrect. As for me failing out of it…even if I did what is it to you? Did I lie about your precious school? At times I’m tempted to post my credentials up here just to shut haters like u the fuck up….but for some idiot who comes here making unsubstantiated claims that I’ve failed out of this shithole (which is completely untrue and even if it was true it would be irrelevant)….and that the “curriculum is the same everywhere” without knowing any better I strongly doubt it is worth it. Hope your time at Cooley is paying off for you buddy. Next time post something with facts or something that is remotely relevant or worthwhile you fucking moronic douchebag.

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I see your point . . .
05/28/2011 10:46pm

I wouldn't necessarily say that I am a "Cooley defender" but I went to Cooley, graduated in two years, and never got below a B. Most importantly, I got a great job right after graduation. With that being said, Cooley has its fair share of problems. While I am sure there is exceptions, anyone who goes to Cooley and believes they are going to work at a top firm out of law school needs a reality check. Also, it is beyond me why people would move to Michigan to come to Cooley.

Before starting Cooley, I liked that Cooley "let anyone in" and then would kick them out after a semester or two if they couldn't get the grades. However, my view on that has changed. The reality is, if you have a poor LSAT score, a bad undergrad GPA, and can only get in at Cooley, you shouldn't be going to law school.

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Tired of Whiners
06/07/2011 7:11am

Oh yeah. Did I neglect to mention that only 68% OF ALL law grads ACROSS THE NATION are working between 1 and 9 months after graduation? Did I also neglect to mention that quite a few of those out of work are from from Ivy League schools as well as 3rd and 4th tier schools?
Address the bigger issue---law schools IN GENERAL are pumping out too many lawyers for the market to employ.

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06/07/2011 12:55pm

There are several blogs devoted to the fact that law schools IN GENERAL are pumping out way too many lawyers. That is not my job here, but I have alluded to the problem several times within my post. It was my duty to slam the biggest culprit and morally bankrupt institution of all charging exorbitant amounts for the one of the most toxic law degrees on the market!

It seems only I had the first-hand experience and the intelligence to see Cooley for what it is and give it the bashing it deserved. Certainly other Cooley students see it too but what sets me apart is having the integrity and balls to stand up and call someone out. In fact Cooley has continued to haunt me as I've had extreme difficulty applying for jobs, externships, and in general at my new transfer school due to the "Cooley Stigma".

When I chose to attend this shithole completely naive to the U.S. law school game I just viewed it as another unranked school according to US news. Little did I know this putrid waste site was the worst school in the entire goddamn country. Good job Cooley for suckering in students by marketing your website and ranking system advertised on your website solely as published by a "Justice Brennan" with a seemingly unbiased title "Judging the Law Schools" as if it is an alternative authoritative ranking system.

This blog post is to COMPLETELY inform everyone regarding the dead honest truth about attending this manure site in addition to probable job prospects (almost none) and the ridicule and stigma that comes with attending Thomas Cooley in addition to the crushing debt.

SEEING AS THIS BLOG POST IS NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE OF GOOGLE WHEN YOU TYPE "THOMAS M. COOLEY LAW SCHOOL" I AM OFFICIALLY PROUD AND FEEL ACCOMPLISHED AS THE ENTIRE TRUTH CAN BE REACHED BY A MERE AND SIMPLE GOOGLE SEARCH.

I would like to personally thank everyone that has made this possible and would really appreciate anyone who has changed their mind from attending Cooley because of this blog to drop a line here.

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06/11/2011 4:49am

Thank you for taking this opportunity to talk about this, I feel strongly about it and I benefit from learning about this topic.

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Bangbus
06/17/2011 7:33pm

Good work.

Not sure if the scam bloggers have already done this, but have you considered editing the law school's wiki page to include the sky-high tuition costs, excessive forced drop-out rates, and the current dismal employment statistics for recent grads? Then place that information right next to the unbelievable compensation packages these cronies get?

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Cooley is trash
07/11/2011 3:12am

Cooley, the ABA, etc... are problematic. However, the real criminal in this scam is the government. Even though Uncle Sam is trying to help by funding higher education, these unlimited "non dis-chargeable" loans ENABLE shitty law schools (and even good law schools) to charge outrageous tuition. Add in the fact that Jose Baez went to a TTTier 4 toilet in Miami and we're going to see another wave of hopeless applicants saying "see, he did it."

The ABA, Govt. is destroying/watering down the prestige of a j.d. (what's left of it, anyway).

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07/13/2011 4:28pm

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Matt Miller
07/14/2011 5:37pm

I'm a reporter with the Lansing State Journal. I'm writing a story about the lawsuit Cooley has filed against you. If you care to comment, you can e-mail me at the address submitted with this post. My deadline is Friday, July 15.

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Old Timer
07/14/2011 7:50pm

When did law schools start giving open book exams? I went to law school in the mid-80s and there were no open book exams or reading weeks or any of the other things you mention. No wonder new attorneys don't have the skills they need to survive in private practice.

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ellewoods79
07/15/2011 6:14pm

So, I went to Cooley for one whole semester. While I was waitlisted elsewhere. Why did I end up at Cooley? Well:

1) I am the big suck when it comes to standardized tests

2) COLLEGE WAS AN EFFIN' BLAST, MAN!

3) If I continued to waste away as a Legal Assistant one more year I would have walked into my office with a semi-automatic and leveled the damn place.

As you can see, I am one terrible candidate on paper. So, off to Cooley I went. Then I got my acceptance to a different school, one with a much stronger reputation. And I ran like hell.

I wanted to like the school. Hell, they offered me a scholarship! And really, there were some good sides to the school. My instructors knew their stuff and taught it well. I really liked most of my professors. And, really, their library was pretty sweet.

But I ran like hell. I left that school faster than a tramp in church because while the professors were fine, holy hell did the administration suck. I have never dealt with people who were so effing shady. I have never dealt with people in positions of authority who have lied, bullied, manipulated and otherwise mistreated people in my entire life as that school did. And I don’t regret it, because now I never have to put on my resume that I even went there :-)

Best of luck in your lawsuit, Rockstar!


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07/15/2011 6:56pm

I went to cool-school.

I seem to recall a racist, hateful, defamatory "associate" or "assistant" or whatever bullshirt title they make up for a TEACHER over by dere, by the name of Claude R. Thomas.

Didn't ol' Claude teach at the cool school before he was removed from the bench, convicted, disbarred and did time?

WIth that kind of vetting of professors at the cool school, it's no wonder matriculants are disgusted.

Oh, ol' claude used my name and the names of two of my colleagues in his lectures and, trust me, it wasn't flattering.

Cool school, take a chill pill and hire better staff!

Oh, claude, I piss on your grave every time I come through town, you black racits prikc

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Anonymous
07/15/2011 8:42pm

You should reach out to Marc Randazza, the guy who is defending all the internet bloggers in the Rakofsky lawsuit. I bet he would love this.

Shoot me an email if you have a chance.

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Bangbus
07/16/2011 7:27am

Rockstar05,

I’m sorry to hear about your predicament, but keep fighting these cocksuckers. In my opinion, and the opinion of many others, you did the right the thing. Cooley is a deplorable “nonprofit corporation” that should be dissolved and its multiple campuses razed.

Do you know why the Cooley is really suing you? Because you managed to escape, and the school believes you owe it another year of tuition.

Don’t let these bloodsucking bastards get you down.

Good luck.

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Guest
07/18/2011 12:58pm

I recently transfered out of Cooley to a better school. I completely agree with your original post. This school is ridiculous and I am honestly afraid in regard to the fact that some of the students who go there will eventually become lawyers...

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polecat
07/19/2011 12:41pm

Hmm. Not as much smack talk in your latest post rockstar05. A little nervous are you?

I graduated from there 5 years ago. I'm happy with the education I received and I'm doing quite well in my career. After spending (too much) time reading the responses above, I'm willing to bet that most are from people who find it alot easier to bitch about Cooley than to reflect a little more on their own shortcomings.

That being said, I think Cooley administration is foolish in suing over an anonymous blog posting. Grow up and let it go guys...If you want to play in the big boys sand box, you have to expect to get a little sand in your eyes.

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Autonomous Unit
07/19/2011 10:56pm

It's a shame that you took down your original post.

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07/20/2011 11:50am

I like your blog, and am a fan of Nando and the others bringing to light the fact that there are too many crap law schools cranking out (shitting out?) new JD's with dim (to none) job prospects in the legal market. To me, this Cooley law suit is nothing but an intimidation move. What matters to a school is "butts in seats." Student loans are the driving engine in getting students to mortgage their futures with a crap degree. Your website might deter people from attending, and that's bad for their business. May I suggest that other lawyers (and readers of this blog) begin providing for your pro-bono defense?

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Jonathan
07/22/2011 12:24am

Cooley does everything they can to keep their students from transferring. I applied to transfer to a different school in another state because of the financil need to finish up in the same state where my husband is. I ordered a letter of good standing, paid for it online, and paid for overnight service so that the letter would meet a deadline at the school I was trying to transfer to. I got a confirmation e-mail stating that the transcript would be sent overnight. Two days later, which happened to be two days from the deadline, I got an e-mail saying that they were not going to send my letter overnight as agreed and paid for. "We're sorry. Due to an administrative hold (non-submission of Honor Code and/or Policy Procedure Forms) on your student account we were unable to fulfill your request. The request will not be processed until the administrative hold has been lifted."

I called Cooley and was promised a letter would indeed be processed. The lady, Robin, was very reassuring. She looked online at my accounts for several minutes and ensured me that everything was okay. She never gave an answer for WHY I got that e-mail. The beginning of the ordeal....

Some time later that day, I got an e-mail saying that the letter would not be processed.

I e-mailed Robin back immediately, and called. She she told me that because I voided a class in the past, the old grade would have to be reinstated and the new GPA calculated. She informed me that if it fell below a certain GPA, she wouldn't be able to send the letter. I could never get her to tell me why the grade, which would appear as a V on my transcript was suddenly going onto my transcript now that they were worried I was transferring. It was like their way of saying, "Hey Wife, if you're leven thinking of leaving me, Wife, I am going to call ADT and turn the security alarm service off." Why would the old grade have to be reinstated and what did that have to do with my GPA? Well, I will tell you. This was nothing more than a big fat bully picking on a quiet little girl on the playground. The old grade most definately does not have to be reinstated, and my GPA most definately would not need to be recalculated because I used my Void, and the purpose of the Void to put on record that the student will re-take the course. So why in the world was Robin insisting that the grade must be put on? The only logical conclusion is that I was now seeking to transfer and she was just following procedure (as she admits). But, what is this procedure and why is it now suddenly in place now that I am interested in transferring? Simple. Because I am transferring, this new procedure whereby which students are told that if they EVEN THINK ABOUT LEAVING, Cooley will try to hurt them by changing the agreement. It's true because Cooley sure wasn't trying to change the agreement while I was there giving them $30,000 in the first year. Robin, who clearly is not an attorney, and is about as articulate as my ten year old niece while arguing with me, then went on to say that I needed to make a decision if I wanted to stay at Cooley or not. I asked her why it had to be reinstated. "So if I come back to law school at Cooley in the fall, I would have used up my void and then still have a D on my transcript? That doesn't make any sense. In the past, a letter of good standing has been provided on several occasions, and the D was not been put back on the transcript. There must be some misunderstanding. Then I informed her that it didn't matter if she factored the void in or not when evaluating my grades to determine if the letter could be sent. Why? Because I had a GPA above a 2.0. She then lied about my GPA even though I was simultaneously looking at a copy of it online. She told me that Sherida Wysocki was in a meeting and she was going to lunch. It was way past lunchtime. So, 1 Point Cooley, 0 Points Me. She shut me down. She waited to respond to me until the UPS pick-up time passed, yet again.

When I called her about an hour after her "lunch," I called her out on this pack of lies and games. She told me that her boss, Wysocki, would tell me the same thing. She would tell me, "Oh, no we're not playing these games." What games? Ohhhhh, you mean the game where I ask for a letter of good standing to transfer, and you threaten to enact a previously unpublished and unheard new policy that you will seek up to mess with my GPA, but if I stay, you won't? You're telling me that you are going to take away my void if I seek this letter of good standing, and if I come back, I will no longer have the option to re-take the class for a better grade. Looks like YOU are the one playing the games. Then, Robin tells me that I better decide if I am going to withdrawl or not. Let's face it. This is getting ridiculous. Why do I need to decide if I am going to withdrawl of not? How can I know until I do or don't get accepted at another law school? And why is Cooley's random new unheard of policy being inflic

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Jonathan
07/22/2011 12:25am

Cooley does everything they can to keep their students from transferring. I applied to transfer to a different school in another state because of the financil need to finish up in the same state where my husband is. I ordered a letter of good standing, paid for it online, and paid for overnight service so that the letter would meet a deadline at the school I was trying to transfer to. I got a confirmation e-mail stating that the transcript would be sent overnight. Two days later, which happened to be two days from the deadline, I got an e-mail saying that they were not going to send my letter overnight as agreed and paid for. "We're sorry. Due to an administrative hold (non-submission of Honor Code and/or Policy Procedure Forms) on your student account we were unable to fulfill your request. The request will not be processed until the administrative hold has been lifted."

I called Cooley and was promised a letter would indeed be processed. The lady, Robin, was very reassuring. She looked online at my accounts for several minutes and ensured me that everything was okay. She never gave an answer for WHY I got that e-mail. The beginning of the ordeal....

Some time later that day, I got an e-mail saying that the letter would not be processed.

I e-mailed Robin back immediately, and called. She she told me that because I voided a class in the past, the old grade would have to be reinstated and the new GPA calculated. She informed me that if it fell below a certain GPA, she wouldn't be able to send the letter. I could never get her to tell me why the grade, which would appear as a V on my transcript was suddenly going onto my transcript now that they were worried I was transferring. It was like their way of saying, "Hey Wife, if you're leven thinking of leaving me, Wife, I am going to call ADT and turn the security alarm service off." Why would the old grade have to be reinstated and what did that have to do with my GPA? Well, I will tell you. This was nothing more than a big fat bully picking on a quiet little girl on the playground. The old grade most definately does not have to be reinstated, and my GPA most definately would not need to be recalculated because I used my Void, and the purpose of the Void to put on record that the student will re-take the course. So why in the world was Robin insisting that the grade must be put on? The only logical conclusion is that I was now seeking to transfer and she was just following procedure (as she admits). But, what is this procedure and why is it now suddenly in place now that I am interested in transferring? Simple. Because I am transferring, this new procedure whereby which students are told that if they EVEN THINK ABOUT LEAVING, Cooley will try to hurt them by changing the agreement. It's true because Cooley sure wasn't trying to change the agreement while I was there giving them $30,000 in the first year. Robin, who clearly is not an attorney, and is about as articulate as my ten year old niece while arguing with me, then went on to say that I needed to make a decision if I wanted to stay at Cooley or not. I asked her why it had to be reinstated. "So if I come back to law school at Cooley in the fall, I would have used up my void and then still have a D on my transcript? That doesn't make any sense. In the past, a letter of good standing has been provided on several occasions, and the D was not been put back on the transcript. There must be some misunderstanding. Then I informed her that it didn't matter if she factored the void in or not when evaluating my grades to determine if the letter could be sent. Why? Because I had a GPA above a 2.0. She then lied about my GPA even though I was simultaneously looking at a copy of it online. She told me that Sherida Wysocki was in a meeting and she was going to lunch. It was way past lunchtime. So, 1 Point Cooley, 0 Points Me. She shut me down. She waited to respond to me until the UPS pick-up time passed, yet again.

When I called her about an hour after her "lunch," I called her out on this pack of lies and games. She told me that her boss, Wysocki, would tell me the same thing. She would tell me, "Oh, no we're not playing these games." What games? Ohhhhh, you mean the game where I ask for a letter of good standing to transfer, and you threaten to enact a previously unpublished and unheard new policy that you will seek up to mess with my GPA, but if I stay, you won't? You're telling me that you are going to take away my void if I seek this letter of good standing, and if I come back, I will no longer have the option to re-take the class for a better grade. Looks like YOU are the one playing the games. Then, Robin tells me that I better decide if I am going to withdrawl or not. Let's face it. This is getting ridiculous. Why do I need to decide if I am going to withdrawl of not? How can I know until I do or don't get accepted at another law school? And why is Cooley's random new unheard of policy being inflic

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A future law student
07/24/2011 3:30pm

i will be going to tier two next year. A school nando has not wrote about yet. Thank god.

I have a real hard time comprehending what you are going throug and wish you luck.

I can't believe they are suing you. I prey that a successful class action is kharma for this and that you counter sue.

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Souris09
07/27/2011 4:40pm

two things

First, Cooley's stated goal of the suit is in an attempt to quell those that blog,say,etc that their education is inferior...and yet neither of the attorneys for the plaintiffs in the suit involving you attended Cooley...hmm

Second, alumni did not get a letter from Cooley encouraging us to join their case. I know because I am a 2009 Souris class graduate. Rockstar05, feel free to email me. I think I could be of use and pass along information of others that may also be of use.

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halflight
08/06/2011 11:38am

Cooley Sucks? Well, yeah.

I was offered a full-ride scholarship to Cooley (without applying) in 1987. Even free, it wasn't worth it.

That was 1987, folks. How is it that applicants wouldn't know any better more than 20 years later? Wishful thinking, maybe?

Before you call Cooley students morons, reflect upon the fact that, to some of us, the mere act of applying to Cooley is a sign of cognitive deficiency.

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08/06/2011 2:06pm

All I can say is hang in there and don't let these people bully you. Seriously, for all the Cooley students who can't get out because their professors either won't give recommendations or have been scared by the administration into making it nearly impossible to get one from them-something I've noticed has become even more of a problem in the past year (professors w/o tenure really don't want you to ask for a recommendation... interesting side note there)-and/or don't have the grades because of the philosophy that "a C at Cooley is an A anywhere else", (which is tough to understand given that anything below a 2.0 is considered academic probation) let me say that you are fighting the good fight. This school does misrepresent itself, and it does lock most students in by making it as hard as possible to transfer out with these obviously punitive grading practices, to say nothing of the constant berating of students for wanting to transfer out and questioning their loyalty-this is not a joke, this happens regularly. Professors are not allowing students to audiotape their lectures either... any guess as to what that could be about? Then when a student is stuck here and they realize what a joke it is and how few job options are available because of that, well, someone does need to put an end to this craziness before another unsuspecting kid gets hit with 30k/year in tuition debt and has no choice but to finish and hope for the best. I am a student at Cooley, and I say shut them down, it's that bad.

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CooleyGrad 1980s
08/06/2011 4:51pm

The school was only a few yrs old when I entered. I found the administration to be arrogant, aloof and disinterested in many aspects of student life. It hiked tuition substantially and with little notice, with no substantive explanation. It required classes to be conducted in unsuitable space, the literal ruins of the old Masonic Temple. It hired the young and perhaps unqualified son of the founder, Brennan Jr., into an important administrative position, the appearance of nepotism be damned. It was, to me, a really bad scene.

I don't know what else I expected of a school whose founder quit the Michigan Supreme Court to go into the law school business.

My degree is the size of a small billboard, and my name is the smallest type on it. The signatures are gone now, except of course that of Brennan.

But the license is very valuable and I do good work for people who need me, so, I got what I wanted from it and it got what it wanted from me.

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Cooley Grad 07
08/08/2011 3:56pm

As a graduate and a successful attorney in private practice, I myself have been appauled by the "Cooley" approach to education. Having only a couple options for law schools I took the scholarship offer, knowing little of Cooley. It didn't take long to figure out what it was about, money. They only reason they are interested in bar passage, and employment is for their statistics to sell to the next suckers. Someone explain to me how it helps my J.D. on the wall with the Cooley name by purchasing a minor league baseball stadium or popping up campuses like Starbucks? They are not doing these things for me, the other alumni, the current students, they are doing them for money and publicity to attract more students. Cooley has choosen quantity over quality and made no qualms about it. Their self proclaimed rankings were created as a tool to refute the actual rankings that puts them as a bottom dwelling school based on real statistics. Cooley's own no. 2 ranking is based on size of campuses, faculty and students, purely numbers and size. We all know that is a great way to rate a law school, who cares about grading, knowledge, or jobs. Learning of this florida campus just shows us alumni even more, that it's all about the money.

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m
08/11/2011 2:20pm

I cried when I heard Cooley was attempting to open a FLa LAw School. We are seriously overpopulated down here. The only thing I would add is there is 13 Law schools now in Fla.:
1)Fla State, Tallahasse
2)FLA Coastal, Jacksonville
3)Univ of Fla, Gainsville
4)Barry, Orlando
5)FAMU, Orlando
6)Stetson, Tampa
7)Ave Maria, Venice
8)Law School under construction, Ft Myers
9)Nova, Ft Lauterdale
10)LAw School under construction, Miami
11)St. Thomas, Miami
12)Univ of Miami, Miami
13)Cooley, Tampa <<< Let's face it they will not stop it.

It has come to the point some needs to stop this!!!

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Very Sympathetic Lawyer
08/11/2011 11:29pm

Hey Rock Star 05, about ten Michigan cases hold that a "John Doe" suit is not a "commencement" of a suit and there is no relation back to beat the statute of limitations. Jerk them around take an appeal etc

See
2004 WL 150559
2992 WL 31934019
135 Mich App 1
2008 WL 2858407
154 Mich App 78

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steve
08/14/2011 3:51am

Cooley is almost everything you said has a former student but to say they give chance to to many people is shortminded. I had a 148 on the LSAT and Cooley took me since I have been in law school I have made the deans list and honor roll every term except one and i am starting my third year, so what did the LSAT prove. I transfered to a higher tier school and made deans list there also. So I cant knock them for letting me in. The rest of their practices are bad but giving me a shot is not one of them because now i dominate grade wise in a school that would of never looked at me because all they care about is the LSAT because cooley gave me a chance so rip on all you want and I will agree just not their acceptance policy because I would not of had a chance if it wasnt for them but I do agree with everything else!!!!!

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Crusader
08/17/2011 10:34am

I share the views of Rockstar05. I am a graduate of Cooley. I waged my own battles with the administration about academic probation, scholarships, and graduation. I have never experienced so much frustration and stress with the academic side of it and the administration.
I'll gather my thoughts and post more.

For now, I hope this whole tuition bubble must burst. Mark my words, this lawsuit against Cooley is just the beginning. The avalanche will keep rolling to other academic fields and educational institutions. Greed and this modern day slavery must be stopped because our society is disintegrating.

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Don LeScam
08/18/2011 3:07am

Cooley sux donkey balls. I speak from experience. I can only hope Rockstar05 prevails in his right to free speech and opinion.

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03/21/2012 8:10am

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LSAT 163
04/28/2012 3:52pm

My LSAT score is 163, and my UGPA is about 3.4, so I'll get a full scholarship at Cooley (and doubt I could get a full scholarship at a top tier school). The campus is 20 miles away from my house (which I own and is worth less than the mortgage, so moving would be a very expensive option, even if I could get a full scholarship elsewhere). I'm currently working as a tax preparer, which I can continue part time while attending law school (and get student loans to help pay the mortgage). I want a JD so I can take the bar, so I can start a solo practice specializing in tax representation for individuals and small businesses. In my first few years of practice as a lawyer I expect to be working part-time as a lawyer and part-time in tax preparation.

It seems to me that Cooley is a perfect opportunity for me. The other option would be to forego law school altogether and apply to Tax Court as a non-lawyer.

Any comments or warnings?

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u know
05/01/2012 11:53am

Don LeDuc is Cooley founder Brennan's son-in-law, at least he was when he was hired

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05/07/2012 12:05am

Sometimes people make a few mistakes. In many cases, it is not even that we mean to break the law - we are either unaware of it, or it was inescapable. For them criminal defense attorney is very necessary.

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TM:103
05/26/2012 3:38pm

Just contact me through email. I need to chat with you Rockstar

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wtf
05/29/2012 2:10am

why do people blame cooley when they fail? I can't run a marathon but I don't blame the marathon for letting me try.

Yeah the odds of a 140 lsat getting through a JD are about the same as the lotto, but only an F'n idiot would blame the lotto when they lose.

Maybe they are so mad, because they are too dumb to get why they suck.

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05/29/2012 3:15am

(I thought you might appreciate this, it is from the horses mouth)
http://www.cooley.edu/overview/brennan_booklet.pdf


THOSE UPPITY WOLVERINES
Flying home from an annual meeting of the American Bar Association some years ago, former
University of Michigan Law School Dean Theodore St. Antoine found himself sitting next to the
Honorable James L. Ryan, a Judge of the United States Circuit Court of Appeals for the sixth circuit.
In the course of their amiable conversation, the topic of the Thomas M. Cooley Law School came up;
understandably, since Judge Ryan was and is a very close friend of mine and for a number of years
served on the board of directors of the law school. In a moment of unguarded candor, Professor St.
Antoine confessed that the establishment of the Cooley Law School was the greatest disappointment
of his tenure as dean at U of M.
And so it must have been. In November of 1973, Ted St. Antoine wrote to the members of the state
board of law examiners:
"I did not wish to interject a jarring note that would clash with the good consensus and the good
fellowship of our November 2 meeting. But the problem of the Thomas M. Cooley Law School
remains with us, and if the Board of Law Examiners is as concerned with the quality of legal education
in the State of Michigan as I hope it is, the Board must continue to wrestle with this problem.”
He went on to say that he was skeptical about Cooley’s ability to provide a sound legal education and
urged the state board to withhold its approval until Cooley was ready for accreditation by the
American Bar Association.
Coincidentally, just six days later, Prentiss M. Brown, Jr., son of a former United States Senator from
Michigan wrote a scathing letter to Roy Profitt, a professor at the U of M Law School, whose duties
included soliciting contributions from alumni. After acknowledging that he had received an excellent
education at Michigan, Mr. Brown complained that the university’s exclusive admissions standards had
denied his two sons the opportunity to attend their father’s alma mater. To emphasize his displeasure,
Mr. Brown stated that he was withholding financial support indefinitely.
He pointed out that the U of M was admitting less than ten percent of its applicants, and that his son
Stephen had enrolled at Cooley. He said that if anything were to have come out of the Michigan Law
School concerning Cooley, it should have been offers to help. The attack on Justice Brennan and the
law school, in Mr. Brown’s words:"...made me feel sick, not only because my boy is going there, but
because here we have a great university, renowned in all the world, and it allowed itself to get into this
gutter-sniping dialogue when it should have been just the opposite, that is, a great educational
institution helping out this fledgling professional school get a start to train young people in the law.”
No doubt the hand-wringing concern in Ann Arbor about the quality of legal education at Cooley was
alleviated somewhat when our first contingent of graduates took the bar examination in February of
1976 and passed at a higher rate than the University of Michigan’s graduates.

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Recent Cooley Grad
06/27/2012 6:23pm

I graduated from Cooley in January 2012, passed the February bar, and landed a decent job as a lawyer. I am making enough to pay all my bills and pay my student loans. I know its not the 6 figure income some people expect out of law school but I am happy with it -- especially when many of my friends at higher ranked schools do not have a job.

However, I have to admit that I believe I am the execption. I saw a lot of people fail out and more people fail the bar. I can name more cooley students that have failed the bar than I can those that have passed.

I fit into the category of people who went to Cooley because they didn't see another choice. I had a decent LSAT score and good UGPA but my problem was that I never finished undergrad. Cooley is the only accredited school that would take me without an undergrad. By choosing Cooley I saved myself almost 2.5 years of school time. This was important to me because I had a wife and two children and wanted to get done quickly.

I decided to comment here not to argue with what you say (because 90% of what you are saying is correct) but to point out that I think there is some legitimate reasons to go to Cooley. And to point out that not everyone that goes to Cooley is stupid, crazy, blind, or incapable of being an attorney.

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